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I have started to build a new garage at home to replace my old one that was not in very good shape. It has been in the plans for a while and the timing is now right to take on the task of tearing down the old building and replace it with something bigger and better. We started May 17th and have been progressing slowly. I am doing the build myself with the help of family, friends and neighbours. If there is interest in this build thread I will keep adding to it as we go along.

 

I have added a couple of pic of the old garage and the drawing of what the new one should hopefully look like when its done.

 

Jeff

 

 

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The old garage was 28x32. and had slope of 1ft from the front corner to the back opposite corner and had a couple of big cracks in the floor. The new Building will be 40x56 with a 12ft inside height from floor to ceiling. the plan is also to add in floor heating. I should also add my wife and I have lived here since Oct 1996 and the garage and added outbuildings were all there when we moved in.

 

I have also realized that the old main garage was built around the mid 60's and was built using recycled building materials from another building that was torn down at some point. Our house was built around 1955.

 

The decision to finally start this build for me was when I was working on a Model T for a guy 2 years ago and I had his engine on potable engine lift and it started to roll away and pinned me up against my work bench due to the slop of the floor. I thought I am either going to hurt myself one day or I am going to wreck something of some one else's and I don't want either of those issues.

 

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3 minutes ago, trimacar said:

That looks like it's going to be a nice building, and nice collection of cars!

Thanks trimcar.....4 of the Model T's are mine and the 11T, 29A and the 33 Studebaker are my Dads. Part of the reason for building now is to also be able to keep my dads stuff at my place down the road, he just turned 87, and is doing Ok..... but.....we wish are parents would live forever but we all know that is not reality so we need to be prepared.  They are not cars we want to sell at any point so we need to be able to have a place to keep them along with my cars and toys..

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As we were building the new garage in the same location as the old one we had to decide what to do with everything in the current garage. The cars went to my dads as he has sold off some of his collection and had room to take my 4 Model Ts. My neighbour who runs and big farm was nice enough to offer to take the 4 snowmobiles as he had room in one of his barns. But the biggest issue is what to do with all the parts? We ended up removing one of the additions from the side of the garage and rebuild it in the back corner of the property. This became the Oct project for my kids and I when Hershey was cancelled a couple of year s ago. That shed (14x21) is just rammed full of stuff, including the lawn tractor and push mower.I thought I had a picture of the inside but I could not find one.

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In early May of this year we removed the addition off the back of my garage. The neighbour farmers kids wanted to use it back at there dirt bike track. So after the ground had dried up enough away it went. It sure is nice to have the equipment to do stuff like this, and its even better to be friends with them when you need something done for yourself LOL. Luckily not going very far, and we had 1ft to spare with the hydro wires to get into their field. The building on the old hay wagon was 15ft in height.

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May 10th was the big day for the old garage to come down. The excavator showed up the night before and was sitting in my driveway, a neighbour who has been running excavators for 45 yrs was going to be the operator and do the demo and the excavation for the foundation. Nice to have neighbours to help and his fee was only 6 beers, I figured I could handle that. I ordered a 40 yard bin to put the garage in, had a guy come in with his dump truck take the concrete floor for another guy who used it for fill for making a driveway at his place, and my farmer buddy took 8 formed concrete pads that were under the first attached building that I turned into a shed in the back corner. I was not sure if the whole garage would fit into the bin but it did.

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Well atleast you are starting with a fairly level lot.   Mine had 8-10 feet of slope.  480 yards later and digging way deeper than I planned at the opposite end and I had a fairly level site. ;) 

Keep the photos coming. 

In floor heat is a wise choice.  I planned it on mine but haven't poured my floor yet, though my shell is up so I have good storage space, just not good work space. That money thing keeps getting in the way. 

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3 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

Well atleast you are starting with a fairly level lot.   Mine had 8-10 feet of slope.  480 yards later and digging way deeper than I planned at the opposite end and I had a fairly level site. ;) 

Keep the photos coming. 

In floor heat is a wise choice.  I planned it on mine but haven't poured my floor yet, though my shell is up so I have good storage space, just not good work space. That money thing keeps getting in the way. 

I am pretty lucky my yard only slopped back about 1 1\2 feet, so with the dirt I removed I will be able to backfill around the outside and get the grading with just that dirt. In the back right corner was the only place we had a little issue while digging as we had some black soil with organics in it so we had to dig down 2 more feet to bet back on to virgin soil (clay). An old timer told me years ago there used to be a pond in my side yard 50yrs ago and was filled in, so the ground we ran into we guess is some of the fill from when they filled the pond in.

 

Everyone I talked to has an opinion on infloor heating, but there was one common answer and that is from people who have put in in there garage and they say it was the best decision they made. I plan on running the tubing when I get that far but I might wait till next year to get the heating system all installed. We will se what the money situation is like when I get there.

 

 

 

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The following day we dug for footing and wall...not too many excavation pics....dug down 4 feet as required for frost issues...after the fact I thought he dug wider than was needed, he went almost 2 buckets wide. it probably cost me 1 extra load of stone for the interior back fill, so not a big deal. Also a lot of dirt around the outside for back full and little leveling of my back yard where it is used as a natural drain out from my neighbours field. I was alittle concerned as I have a septic tile bed in behind where a couple pretty big piles of dirt were , but thankfully everything seems to be working fine.

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5 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

Well atleast you are starting with a fairly level lot.   Mine had 8-10 feet of slope.  480 yards later and digging way deeper than I planned at the opposite end and I had a fairly level site. ;) 

Keep the photos coming. 

In floor heat is a wise choice.  I planned it on mine but haven't poured my floor yet, though my shell is up so I have good storage space, just not good work space. That money thing keeps getting in the way. 

 

 

  I can definitely attest to Randy's property NOT being level!:D I winced just a bit when I drove my dually & 24 foot enclosed trailer up his driveway! LOL

 

  @coachJC I will be following along as I like to watch others work! Yes on the floor heat, My building was only a shell with 3/4 of it concreted when I moved in 18 years ago. When I concreted the last part I opted to not install the floor heat tubing thinking I would never add on & it would be a waste for just a section of the building (40x20).....14 years later, because I am like most in our hobby & am highly addicted, the building swelled from 40x88 to 56 x88 & am now kicking myself that I didn't install it back then & just add in the tubing for the addition! I will say though that my radiant heat tubes overhead are highly efficient & I keep the building at or about 55 all year round with a good dehumidifier as well! You just can't beat the feeling of a warm floor on your legs (especially our knees) though!

 

God bless

Bill

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Don't you have any rocks?  We got lots of free lawn ornaments when I dug mine.

Your guy went wide so it is easier to put the forms in.  Tough to work in a narrow space,  Especially if anything was slightly off when they square up the foundation when setting the forms.  

We went as wide as we could but imagine how hard it is to dig it wider than necessary,  especially if you find a big prize.  These were all babies.  The bigger ones we moved away already when the picture was taken. 

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No rocks like that...holy crap.....all I ran into was all kinds of broken bricks. As I stated earlier, my garage was built out of used materials from another structure at some time, so all the broken brick and left over brick was buried. I will admit I complained alittle bit about that but after seeing what you went thru I've got nothing to complain about. 

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1 hour ago, coachJC said:

@auburnseeker how far down did you put your wall insulation, is it just at your concrete thickness or is it into your stamped gravel layer?

The insulation is down 4 feet.  What you see sticking up will be the finished floor level.  

I insulated the inside as a friend said why heat the foundation and it won't get beat up like it might on the outside.  I needed to get my CO as well,  so if I put it outside it would have need to have a finish over it,  Inside I just made a quick aluminum cap and tacked it on with a few tap cons to keep it in place.  When I'm done,  I'm going to insulate the whole inside with 2 inches of foam so that will just butt the foam you see. 

 

I also went with 8 inch walls so they are the same thickness as the foundation.  There were various reasons for this but it also takes care of the problem of transitioning from the 8 inch foundation to a 6 inch wall. 

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My mason also poured my foundation a foot lower than I wanted it,  as we stepped it and went to natural grade when we formed it up.  Something about needing to use different forms , so he did it his way.  That meant I had to dig my entire driveway and pad in front of the door way down an extra foot from where we had it.  What a job that was as it extends well past the end of the building. 

 

Make sure you make people do things your way,  unless they can show you how theirs is better.  Everything I settled on (and it wasn't much). Irks me to this day. 

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Thursday May12th was footings and footing inspection day. Footing crew(4guys) were to arrive by 8:30, town inspector at 11:00 and cement truck at 11:30. To make a long story short it did not goes as smooth as I would of liked... only one guy showed not a crew,...he did not have enough lumber so he left to get more....inspector came passed footing inspection while still not complete🙃...cement truck shows up...guy still not back.......truck waits 1hr for footings to be set up...he is not happy as concrete has a life span....does pour, he runs about a 1 yard short...I call boss guy for concrete crew...in 10min boss guy and son show up....all kinds of yelling and swearing between boss guy and footing guy.....they get anchor bolts in before concrete gets hard....I get a big apology for owner of concrete firm for there " very unprofessional job they have done for me with the footings" with a promise the walls will go much smoother the next day....another concrete truck shows up....rest of footing crew shows up... footing are complete....I guess that is still long.

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In the pictures above you can see the 2ft step down we had to do, this is where I believe we ended up being that 1 yrd short of concrete. I had the concrete boss guy come out the day before to show him what we had to do but I don't think he added any concrete to the order to make up for the step footings that was now required . 

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As promised the next day at 7am a full crew was there to set the forms for the walls and pour them after lunch. This seemed to go as planned. I was not there for the pour as I had to leave at noon to go to Kingston (3.5hr drive) for the Basketball Championship for the U19 girls team I coach. My boys sent me pics when they got home from work and they said everything looked good and the crew were just cleaning up and getting ready to go.

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The follow Monday night my wife and I came home, our other vehicles were parked in the driveway like we normally would and we pulled into her spot and we both noticed some thing looked off with the garage door location...it should not be to the inside of our sidewalk.☹️

 

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My first thought was the concrete guys messed up, but before I make a nasty phone call to the concrete guys I thought I better go thru my drawings and make sure I have not missed something, and low and behold I have an issue with my Engineering drawings. All the drawings including the 3d view on the front pg are done with my garage doors at 8ft to the center of the door but my foundation drawing shows the doors at 6 feet.

 

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So instead of a phone call to the concrete guy its was a call to the Engineer. He went though his paper work and agreed they have made a mistake and they took care of the repair to put my garage doors in the right location.

 

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:

Cool. I’m jealous.

No need to be jealous, we have a long way to go yet.....

 

P.S.   AJ, I really enjoyed reading all your updates on your participation in the Great Race, it has given me a whole new perspective on it and was fun to follow along ..... I looked forward to reading your updates every day. Congrates on your finish.

 

Jeff

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I was told I had to leave the concrete to cure for a week before I could back fill. The concrete guys told me that a couple times every year guys get to anxious and back fill to early and they have walls collapse. While I waited the week( actually I waited 11 days) I worked on renting a skid-steer for a week and got my stone lined up for fill on the interior.  Called 3 local place about a skid-steer and they were all booked up anywhere from 3 weeks to a month out, and prices have all gone up to over $1500 for a week, and with the price of fuel going up they now have fuel surcharges with delivery and pick up. Luckily a neighbour behind me works for a big construction company and thru his company he was able to get me one for the Monday at his price and no delivery or pick up fee. It is not always what you know but who you know. The Skid Steer was a brand new John Deere with 2.5hrs on it.

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For the fill around the inside we used 3/4 clear. I got 4 tandem dump trucks and we had a half a load left for some fill around the outside. My oldest son(21yrs old) wanted some play time so he did most of the fill around the interior walls. I should point out that we did not back fill the inside with the clay as it will settle and we will have a gap under the concrete as it settle thru some freeze thaw cycles, that is why we use stone. When we water proofed our basement 20yrs ago it took 2.5 yrs before it finally stopped settling.(2 full winters)

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Momma had one stipulation when we decided to build the new garage, and that was there better be a spot for her to park her car inside during the winter as there was never any room in the old garage. So I gave her the first opportunity to park her car inside to try it out.

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