carbking Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) Some time ago there was mention in a couple of threads about carburetors being marked with the car name rather than the carburetor name. I mentioned one that might be the most familiar to most might be the Detroit Lubricator marked Packard Motor Car. Well, anyone know with 1911 Stoddard-Dayton used a Stromberg carburetor? My Stromberg files don't tell me, or at least if they do, I haven't found it. This drawing is clearly dated 12 July 1911. Jon. Edited February 7, 2022 by carbking (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I can count the number of Stoddard Dayton cars I have seen in person on two hands......and I have been around longer than I want to admit.............the collector in Ohio who has a few would be the go to guy to ask. I can’t remember his name, but I do remember he has the largest collection of fishing poles and reels in the world.......if that helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 Ed - are you telling me to "go fish"? Here is another one: Moon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC38dls Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 edinmass, You must be getting old if you can’t remember a car guy's name. Hell I’ve got probably 20 years on you and I remember your name, AJ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 Here is the Stromberg/Stoddard-Dayton carburetor: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) Jon, cool carb.......what’s with the pink Fiat in the background? 😏 Sorry, I can’t help myself! I managed to piss off a few “Fancy Fiat” guys at Cavallino last month......even though they needed my help to make their over priced go carts run.........rotten bastards didn’t even say thank you. When it comes to the fancy Fiat’s, I ALWAYS take Henry Ford II advice........never buy a car you can piss over!😝 Edited February 7, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) Ed - someone sent me the picture, I do not know its origin. Unfortunately, the Stromberg parts prints do NOT give application; and the early assembly diagrams were photographed with 35mm film, whereas the parts were photographed with 16mm. My film digitizer will not do full-frame 35mm. Have a new one on order, will see how well it works. Jon. Edited February 7, 2022 by carbking (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Between the two prints not much has been changed to protect the innocent. Reminds of the times when I first started using blueprints. Cut & Paste, Copy & Paste were quite literal terms at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 The drawings are, at least to me, quite interesting. When I first received that picture of the Stoddard-Dayton carburetor, I said to myself, that is a rip-off of a Stromberg type C. Now I find the drawing that shows that Stromberg actually made the carburetor for Stoddard-Dayton. The one for the Moon is less deceiving, as, even though Stromberg is not on the cover, it plainly states "man'd for" Moon. There are others that have special dataplates: I have seen Cole and Studebaker for Stromberg, and of course the Zenith for White which has been discussed here. Jon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Actually I'm fairly impressed at the cars name cast into the body......just the float bowl cover is a cheap and easy way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 Ed - hopefully, when I am able to process the 35mm microfilm, there will be a print of the carb body. Jon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Jon......do you have the plans for the carburetor that will give any car 145 miles per gallon? With your impressive database certainly you must have it! 😏 Have you ever actually indexed all the fly by night carburetor scam ideas? It would make an interesting book, especially since they were still for sale in the late 80’s. Then the “special” electronic fuel treatment coil that goes around the fuel line for fuel injection replaced all the old carb scams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Ed - I have not. I of course am interested, and I have collected a few ads from J.C. Whitney. But have better things to do with my time. But, and I have mentioned this before, two of my most enjoyable files that I acquired with all the Stromberg drawings were: (1) a file describing Stromberg's interaction with would-be carburetor inventors, and (2) a file describing the team that evaluated modifications to Stromberg carburetors to avoid paying royalties to Carter for patent items. But as far as high mileage carburetors are concerned, virtually ALL engines are capable of producing better mileage than the owner generally acquires. Jon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I don't have a good photo but my 28 Pierce model 81 carb had "Pierce Arrow" on the float bowl cover, I think also Stromberg. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 Tex - my records show the 1927~1928 Pierce Arrow model 81 using a Stromberg type O-3 carburetor. Bet if you can get a mirror between the carb and the block you will see "O3" plus a serial number. Thanks for posting. Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) Well at least G-P gave some credit.... they dumped Johnson fast in 1928 Jon, always curious what the correct finish was on these covers? this one looks sand blasted. Zinc with a yellow brightener would look great. Edited February 9, 2022 by Graham Man (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 9, 2022 Author Share Posted February 9, 2022 I don't know. As you are probably aware, finding Graham information is not exceptionally easy. And for those of us that do not bleed "Graham", understanding Graham models is only slightly less difficult than a test on differential equations! Standard, Special, Custom, model numbers, model names, Series 1, Series 2 - ouch! I have spent dozens of hours trying to make my Graham listings correct. As far as the dataplate is concerned, I have several originals that are finished like the Packard ones. The background is a gloss black, with the raised items (text, border, etc.) appearing to be natural. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 We had discussed the Stromberg for Cole, just found the drawing: Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 And a couple more: Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfeil Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/7/2022 at 9:19 AM, carbking said: Some time ago there was mention in a couple of threads about carburetors being marked with the car name rather than the carburetor name. I mentioned one that might be the most familiar to most might be the Detroit Lubricator marked Packard Motor Car. Well, anyone know with 1911 Stoddard-Dayton used a Stromberg carburetor? My Stromberg files don't tell me, or at least if they do, I haven't found it. This drawing is clearly dated 12 July 1911. Jon. Funny you should mention that Jon. I just finished a carburetor overhaul including shaft bushings on a 1964 VW beetle of mine. The carb has SOLEX and VW logos cast into it. It's a 28PICT that was made for this engine in 1966. The engine is a KD 1966 1200 40HP replacement engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden_hunter Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Pretty sure this guy had a hand in making the Johnston carb for Cadillac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbking Posted February 20, 2022 Author Share Posted February 20, 2022 You may be correct. I was always under the impression it was either Rube Goldberg or Joe Btfsplk Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Man Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Jon, You have seen GP carbs painted like this? I always assumed the Packard ones were screen printed? and the GP ones were embossed? 612 Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRiv_63 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 44 minutes ago, Graham Man said: Jon, You have seen GP carbs painted like this? I always assumed the Packard ones were screen printed? and the GP ones were embossed? 612 Model I don't have a photo but I had a Graham DL parts carb with the acid etched/painted cover similar to Packard and Cadillac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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