Todd B 1928 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I’ve been on the Dodge pilot house website for many many years with a small collection of pilot house trucks. Recently my wife inherited a 1928 Dodge brothers standard six in incredible condition. Appears to be mostly original few items missing with very minimal rust and it looks to be original interior with a few small mice holes. I’m trying to get hub off the rear so I can get the tire changed and at the same time paint the wheels. I read through a different post with options on how to get it off while putting the weight from one side and hitting the other but nothing seems to help. I found this nut under the seat that fits on the axle and is about 2” long with a solid end. It appears to be the tool you would hit on to break these loose but still no luck. Any advice? I’ll try to get a picture sent of this Nut/Tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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keiser31 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) If it has wood spokes, you may need one of these style hub pullers....top and bottom views are transposed. https://customhubpullers.com/ Edited April 14, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hidden_hunter Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Can you get a picture of the wheel itself as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I would never use the banging type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 I used that Nut deal I found under the seat and spun on the axle shaft. Jacked up the opposite side of the car and hit the nut one time with the mall and the wheel popped loose. Thanks for the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 Picture of my car 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 The motor only has compression on three cylinders. I plan on pulling it out nights after work this week. Any tricks I should be aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArticiferTom Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 May want to just pull head first . Could be just gasket blew out . Also valves can be worked with engine in , from side . I never pull one so not much help there . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithb7 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I concur. Pull the head. Then also check valve seats. May need a grind, or it could possibly just be a stuck valve. I was able to repair a dead cylinder in my flathead, in the car. I performed a full valve seat grind by hand, then lapped in new valves. New gaskets, good to go. Three years later its still running well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 I appreciate the input but I have a buddy who built motors professionally for 40 years and recently sold his business. He said he would go through the motor top to bottom if I bring it to him. I really want to take him up on this and do it right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, Todd B 1928 said: I used that Nut deal I found under the seat and spun on the axle shaft. Jacked up the opposite side of the car and hit the nut one time with the mall and the wheel popped loose. Thanks for the help I don't think you did any damage to your car. Those nuts or even the regular axle nut were used thousands of times to remove a wheel. Because most of these cars were rather low mileage and rear wheels did not need to be pulled very often most axles survived. There is no doubt that the puller that screws onto the hub is the best way to go, but people used what they had back in the days when these were in daily use. After 40 years with my Grandfather's Pontiac as my daily driver I finally found the proper puller and have used it for the last 29 years. At almost 1000 miles a month I found that I needed to remove my rear wheels at least every four years so the real puller was a benefit. Good luck with your Dodge and I hope you have at least half as much fun as I have had in 59 years with my Pontiac that had 99,000 when I started driving it and now has 500,000+ miles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 I took my wheels to the tire guy and he said there is supposed to be a special tool that he needs to take the rim apart. Does anybody have a picture of this tool. Thanks, Todd B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Todd B 1928 said: I took my wheels to the tire guy and he said there is supposed to be a special tool that he needs to take the rim apart. Does anybody have a picture of this tool. Thanks, Todd B Does yours look like this? Edited April 15, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 I sent your picture to my tire guy. He said The tool needed some type of a claw on it if I’m not mistaken. Stay tuned. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 My rims are different. They almost look like a door hinge with a hole on either side and one in the center. With a pin in the middle connecting them. The hole is round not square like your picture. My tire guy cannot figure out how to get the pin out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Todd B 1928 said: My rims are different. They almost look like a door hinge with a hole on either side and one in the center. With a pin in the middle connecting them. The hole is round not square like your picture. My tire guy cannot figure out how to get the pin out. You might just scroll down to the "Dodge and Dodge Brothers" section of this forum and post the question there. There will be some 1928 Standard Six owners there who can answer. I know the rim you are talking about. I have never dealt with that type. Edited April 15, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 Thank you for that information. I’m a virgin to the site and never went exploring yet, I never knew those sections even existed. Thank you again for all the help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Todd B 1928 said: Thank you for that information. I’m a virgin to the site and never went exploring yet, I never knew those sections even existed. Thank you again for all the help. You will find a treasure trove of guys who know those cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) Not sure, but Myers Early Dodge parts may have the correct tool/information for you about the rim. I think they have one or two Standard Sixes. http://www.myersearlydodge.com/ Edited April 15, 2020 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Your tire guy may be talking about a rim spreader which is used on split rims. I can post you a picture if you want. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Wheel-Rim-Spreader/133385739520?hash=item1f0e68dd00:g:DeEAAOSwwRpebZJg Edited April 16, 2020 by jan arnett (2) add link (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 The way I understand what the problem is, my buddy cannot get the rim compressed enough to get the tire off. Will this tire spreader Tool work for that? I am concerned about how hard it is to get off, can’t imagine getting the tire back on without wrecking my paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Todd B 1928 said: The way I understand what the problem is, my buddy cannot get the rim compressed enough to get the tire off. Will this tire spreader Tool work for that? I am concerned about how hard it is to get off, can’t imagine getting the tire back on without wrecking my paint. Where are you located? If you are near the Detroit Area, you can come over and use my antique tire machine. Better than the three jaw portable road side spreader and a whole lot easier. Edited April 16, 2020 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 That Is cool!! I live in Marion Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 You did give me an idea. I am very active in two different local historical society. One has a huge tool collection, I may run over and see if there’s one of those gadgets in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, Todd B 1928 said: That Is cool!! I live in Marion Wisconsin. Looks like too far of a ride, unless you come to the Old Car Festival which is on at The Henry Ford/ Greenfield Village the first weekend after Labor Day. https://www.thehenryford.org/current-events/calendar/old-car-festival If you come, bring the tires you want to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Todd B 1928 said: That Is cool!! I live in Marion Wisconsin. Even more cool is I live in Rosholt! Small world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The tire spreader will also shrink the rim by turning the handle the opposite way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 This is a picture of the spare wheel I have.This is a picture of the spare wheel I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 7:40 AM, jan arnett (2) said: Your tire guy may be talking about a rim spreader which is used on split rims. I can post you a picture if you want. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Wheel-Rim-Spreader/133385739520?hash=item1f0e68dd00:g:DeEAAOSwwRpebZJg Thank you very much for the lead. I purchased it today and hopefully will see it by the weekend. I’ll let you know how it works. Thanks again very much appreciate d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 I am trying to pull the transmission and motor out today. The four bolts that hold the transmission to the bell housing, I can turn and turn and they don’t seem to come out. What am I missing?. Thanks for the help in advance. It’s a 1928 four-door sedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd B 1928 Posted April 25, 2020 Author Share Posted April 25, 2020 We got It. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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