Period images to relieve some of the stress

[Varun Coutinho]

4 hours ago, twin6 said:

1910 Columbia Model 48-4 Touring

 

[Varun Coutinho]

On 2/14/2022 at 11:53 PM, twin6 said:

1907 Pierce Great Arrow (4-Cyl : 40/ 45Hp) 7-Passenger Touring

 

[nzcarnerd]

1 hour ago, Walt G said:

This is a page from a dealer's album that was kept in the showroom, image is a photo mounted on linen so it will last longer. ( I wish I had the whole album not just one page!) the car is a 1927 ( 8-78) and 1928 ( 8-82) ELCAR.  With so much detail I think although looking like a rendering the image is a retouched photograph. Yes, lots of odd stuff in my collection you haven't even seen 1% yet.

It may be an optical illusion but this pic it looks as if the steering column is quite upright so the box will be well back to make for a long steering arm (what is that part called?)  from the box to the front.

 

In this pic the wheel appears to be at a different angle - 

 

[8E45E]

Interesting how both the four door and the two door have different two-tone configurations.

 

Craig

[Walt G]

Tires on the sedan image are highly retouched if the image was photo based ( note the exactness of the side x hatching design, interior as well is much more "enhanced" by an illustrator with a paint or air brush. I think it is that aspect that needs to be taken into consideration when looking at both images.

[58L-Y8]

Those Elcar fellows must have been savvy, according to the Standard Catalog of American Cars. 1805-1942, Edited by Kimes & Clark, never produced more than 2,000 cars a year to wit: 1927: 1,483; 1928: 1,312.   Apparently, the taxicab production business was what kept them afloat, hardly seems as if private passenger car sales would have.

[Den41Buick]

[nzcarnerd]

30 minutes ago, Den41Buick said:

1904 Rambler.

[nzcarnerd]

Anybody have an idea on which model this Pierce is? A mid teens 38? It looks to me to be perhaps ten or more years old in the photo and fitted - maybe - with smaller-than-original wheels.

 

[nzcarnerd]

Some great photos from William Coad of Hull, Iowa, of his grandfather's 1912 Mitchell 7-6 (144" wheelbase) with its summer and winter tops.

 

 

[58L-Y8]

Here's a closer look at that Pierce-Arrow town car:

[1937hd45]

 

 

Walt, Do you think the louvers were really reversed or did the artist just not know? Bob 

[Grimy]

2 hours ago, nzcarnerd said:

Anybody have an idea on which model this Pierce is? A mid teens 38? It looks to me to be perhaps ten or more years old in the photo and fitted - maybe - with smaller-than-original wheels.

 

I'm going to call that a Series 4 (1916-18) 48 because (1) top of radiator is higher than top of headlights and (2) looks more like the 48's 142" wb than the 38's 134" wb.

 

@58L-Y8, thank you for the enhanced photo!

[8E45E]

10 hours ago, Grimy said:

I'm going to call that a Series 4 (1916-18) 48 because (1) top of radiator is higher than top of headlights and (2) looks more like the 48's 142" wb than the 38's 134" wb.

 

@58L-Y8, thank you for the enhanced photo!

One in the LeMay Museum.

[twin6]

[twin6]

[58L-Y8]

Here's a better look:

 

[Grimy]

3 hours ago, 8E45E said:

One in the LeMay Museum.

I think THIS one is a 38:  see how the tops of the headlights are very slightly below the top of the radiator shell (not including the filler neck).  This one is also a Series 4 (1916-1918) because it retains the cowl lights cast into the cowl and the hood-top vents, both of which were removed for 1919-1920 Series 31 and 51 (some say the hood-top vents were optional 1919-1920).  This car also has much later headlight lenses from a different make--Pierce used clear glass through 1919.  Most of us use the B&L thick prismatic lenses from Pierce senior cars through 1928 to be able to see where we're going.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Grimy
added info (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

18 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

 

 

Walt, Do you think the louvers were really reversed or did the artist just not know? Bob 

Funny thing, looking at pictures of Elcars they look to have used a variety of types of louvre. Most are 'outies' but this car, a larger 1928 Model 91 according to the caption, has 'innies'. 

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

5 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Here's a better look:

 

1913 Oakland 6-60 Greyhound.

 

This is another one the same. A photo from my files but source not recorded.

 

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

While on the subject of big Oaklands, I have had these two photos filed for some time but can't find any reference as to the exact model. The original source notes them as being 1913 I think they may be the 1914 6-60, Oakland's last really big car - 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

I think this one is an Oakland but I am not 100% sure - and I am not sure whether the car should have right or left hand drive. Both versions posted.

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

Two four cylinder Oaklands in a street somewhere. 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

More Oakland advertising - and a real one - 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess all sorts of thoughts could be made about the passenger seat up by the dash. An opportunity for the passenger to closely examine the quality of the driving?

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

One I filed a long time ago thinking it might be an Oakland but I think there is no way of being sure - 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

An early six cylinder Oakland sedan - 1916 maybe - I have it noted as sfdgb - scenes from days gone by - on the HAMB I think - 

 

 

[George K]

[Walt G]

19 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:

 

 

Walt, Do you think the louvers were really reversed or did the artist just not know? Bob 

Bob, I had the same question! but the more I study it - even from the original 8 x 10 print it could be that the top and bottom of the louver is rounded off - but the shadow on the vertical part being on the left makes one think that that is where the opening would be. I am guessing here ( something I do not ever like to do) but think the louvers were in vertical  length rounded and there was an opening at the back even if very thin to let the heat escape from the engine. The illusion we see is poor representation/interpretation  by the artist . When his art work was shrunk to fit an 8 x 10 print it made it harder to see . Look at the bottom of the louver on the last 4 at the rear of the hood that bottom edge is rounded off.

Walt

[Walt G]

I cropped and enlarged the hood section but the results are not positive to prove what I stated, could be , maybe not. Artist interpretation leaves us with a mystery 95 years later.

[1937hd45]

 SAME negative, just printed both ways. Bob 

[nzcarnerd]

47 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

 SAME negative, just printed both ways. Bob 

Yes, I know but I cant recall which is the original and which is one I flipped. That was about the era the wheel was shifted.

[nzcarnerd]

Three photos posted a short time ago on a facebook page by Bill Kalsem. maybe someone with better skill than I have can tidy them up?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

Flint, Michigan, 1910 according to the caption provided. An interesting low-sided, compact looking, short body (4 pass?) touring there.

 

I can't see any sign of rear springs. Maybe it has a transverse setup - as Paige did at the time.

 

 

 

[George K]

2 hours ago, George K said:

Any guesses. Ed should know.

[58L-Y8]

Here's the third one posted by Bill Kalsem, pretty sure it's a WWI era Studebaker Big Six, don't have a guess on the one I added below, working on the middle one.  Here's the third image, sorry I couldn't get it better.

Edited February 20, 2022 by 58L-Y8
Adding another image, added the third image (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

8 hours ago, 58L-Y8 said:

Here's the third one posted by Bill Kalsem, pretty sure it's a WWI era Studebaker Big Six, working on the other two.

Studebaker was my first thought on this one too, but the disc wheels didn't come in until the 1922 model year I think and this one looks earlier. 

 

This is a 1920 Model EG according to the caption with it.  At that time when wheel choice was woods or wires.

 

[Larry Schramm]

46 minutes ago, nzcarnerd said:

Flint, Michigan, 1910 according to the caption provided. An interesting low-sided, compact looking, short body (4 pass?) touring there. I can't see any sign of rear springs. Maybe it has a transverse setup - as Paige did at the time.

 Here is a litho of the same gas station that hangs in our back hall.  We bought the print about 45 years ago at the Sloan Museum Summer Auto Fair in Flint.  The original I believe hung in the Buick main office when it was located in Flint on Hamilton Ave.  Reflection on the glass causing disortions.

Edited February 20, 2022 by Larry Schramm (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

A photo from Gagik Hovyannisyan of a new Chrysler 72 in Yerevan, Armenia, in 1927 - 

 

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

1 minute ago, Larry Schramm said:

 Here is a litho of the same gas station that hangs in our back hall.  We bought the print about 45 years ago at the Sloan Museum Summer Auto Fair in Flint.  The original I believe hung in the Buick main office when it was located in Flint on Hamilton Ave.

I notice in the 'original'  - if it is such - b/w photo the word Flint is not on the wall.

[twin6]

Don't know what this started out as, but gather from the frame length a touring car would be a good guess.  Must have made quite an impression down on the farm.