Brooklyn Beer Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) I am searching for a price on an exhaust and intake manifold gasket for a 1932 Plymouth and they mention pre April and after April. What is the differences? And how does one tell what you have? And while we are on it who is a good supplier of parts for this year? If I make the trade for this car I am going to be needing a gasket set to start off with. Edited November 19, 2019 by Brooklyn Beer (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK M Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) www.olsensgaskets.com Edited November 19, 2019 by JACK M (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31plymouth Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) I use the 32 one piece exhaust gasket on my 31.(my early 31 originally had individual circular ring gaskets for each port) I think the one piece exhaust will work for all 31-31 Plymouths. The intake is also available and I believe 31 and 32 are interchangable Edited November 19, 2019 by 31plymouth (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Whats your engine serial number ? from what I can tell this is a PA not a PB as your picture shows a straight front grille shell. The PB is different get numbers and picture of front of car also serial on door post rear window pic, and your instrument panel, and your exterior door handles, we need to know what your dealing with first but the PA and the PB used carter BB1 carbs yours is a Carter like a DRT-08 or RT-08 Brass bowl, I have a 29 U and a 32 PB the only difference in the intake exhaust I thought and I could be wrong was the extra bolt on my PB securing the intake exhaust manifold but with these freaking meds I am not sure. Remember you can have a titled car as a 32 does not make it a PB,but it is a 32 model year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) It is a PA Here are the numbers 3147292 with an H under it and also these appear 72931. I have zero experience with a 32 plymouth but I am about to get some as I made the swap for the car which now only leaves the GM 49 Buick in the garage full of Mopars. Edited November 24, 2019 by Brooklyn Beer (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brooklyn Beer Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) What is the difference between late from April 1 and early before April 1 mean when looking for gaskets? has anyone ever used this gasket maker ? http://fcrcmachine.com/remflex-exhaust-gaskets-dodge-plymouth-1932-l4-198ci-intake-exhaust-6034/ Edited November 20, 2019 by Brooklyn Beer (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Ok you have a PA car, the dash Instrument panel is a PA, the exterior door handles are PA, the headlight bar is PA, the PB Headlights mount to fenders by there own mounts not on a bar, Horn on engine is a Pancake used by PA Cars, Grille is a PA and if your wire wheels are 19" It's a PA Look at front engine block upper left front of block should be engine number it will always start with the model letter of car then numbers so 29 and 30 might be U ###### the 31 be PA ###### PB ###### etc., 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 hours ago, thehandleman said: Whats your engine serial number ? from what I can tell this is a PA not a PB as your picture shows a straight front grille shell. The PB is different get numbers and picture of front of car also serial on door post rear window pic, and your instrument panel, and your exterior door handles, we need to know what your dealing with first but the PA and the PB used carter BB1 carbs yours is a Carter like a DRT-08 or RT-08 Brass bowl, I have a 29 U and a 32 PB the only difference in the intake exhaust I thought and I could be wrong was the extra bolt on my PB securing the intake exhaust manifold but with these freaking meds I am not sure. Remember you can have a titled car as a 32 does not make it a PB,but it is a 32 model year. Yes. Your photos show a PA Plymouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Thanks. It was listed as just a 4 door sedan. Like I said, I on a learning curve for these years plymouths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 still a great looking car! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 The older I get the more I enjoy life in the slow lane so away goes the 80 Z28 , 4 spd and in comes the 32 Plymouth to stable next to the 31 Franklin. Tell me more about that horn. I thought it was aftermarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Brooklyn Beer said: The older I get the more I enjoy life in the slow lane so away goes the 80 Z28 , 4 spd and in comes the 32 Plymouth to stable next to the 31 Franklin. Tell me more about that horn. I thought it was aftermarket. Looks original to me. The 1930 had that same style pancake horn, but it was mounted on the headlight bar. 1931s had them under the hood. Here is another (1931) PA....I see a horn.... Edited November 20, 2019 by keiser31 (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Never seen one before Edited November 20, 2019 by Brooklyn Beer (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Looking at the nut on the water pump shaft, do these get repacked like old gate valves and is the material available to repack the water pump yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Maybe someone can explain the intake on the Plymouth 4 cylinder motor. Looking at this intake/exhaust gasket I do not see enough holes for both the intake and exhaust. Did I have one two many Irish whiskey's tonight or what ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32plywood Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) the two end holes and the middle are the exhaust ports ----the other ones are intake. you will also need the gasket that goes in the middle under the intake manifold to exhaust. looks yours is the early 2 bolt set. the later intake gasket is more of a triangle shape Edited November 20, 2019 by 32plywood addition (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32plywood Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Keiser 31 nice under hood picture of Paul's old 31 PA convertible possible one of the best restored cars that I know of. I helped him on some parts he needed when he was working on it. He sold it a few years back --Allan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32plywood Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 yes the horn on the sedan is correct and mounted in proper location. The PB cars mounted on steering column and the 30U mounted out front on head lamp bar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 On Paul,s car I do not see an oil filter. Were they a factory option? I have seen a couple pictures of cars with filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 any other gaskets needed from this picture that need to be replaced in order to fix the leaky ones ? Read it was common practice to just trim number 5567 down for the 2 bolt application Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32plywood Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 yes #5567 can be cut down to work --- most of the PA motors never had an oil filter on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 I would like to add a filter as things here can get very dry and dusty in summer. Going through back threads I came across this. Can anyone comment on it? I am still searching for a good book or manual for the plymouth 4 cylinder motor so nothing to go off but someone elses idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31plymouth Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I hope you join the Plymouth owners Club if you haven't done so already. I have owned my 31 PA for 49 years now and have a lot of information from the Plymouth Owners Club bulletins that I have collected over the years . Did you find the serial number in the passenger front door pillar? My car is registered with the Engine Number PA27620. You can PM me and I will provide as much info as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Evidently that tag is no longer on the door. I did post the numbers the seller was able to give me off the block and that is all I have right now as the car won't ship till after the holiday. I was looking at the Plymouth Owners Club just last night. Looks like a good deal for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 OK, The seller cannot get a good picture of the engine number but he did get me this. I posted the engine casting numbers he was able to find up the thread but this is the serial # 1606954 another question. Is this pinstripe correct for the 32 ? I am not able to find many pictures of the 32 PA with pinstripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Here is a Plymouth PA. You can see the striping on the raised reveals....click on the photo to enlarge it....thanks to the AACA Library.... Edited November 22, 2019 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Similar to the 1931 DB hood reveal, too. Edited November 22, 2019 by keiser31 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The number you gave is on the block lower it is a cast number with H underneath you need letters in front of the numbers like PA#####. This will be drivers side on block upper left front corner right where the cylinder head meets block its a pad thats smooth with Letter followed by numbers good luck Rich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Trying to get it. What is the lower block casting number with the H ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Beyond my pay grade sometimes its manufacturer date sometimes its the cast part number and H may mean the month the block was made I am curious what letter the engine number comes up with shoulf be a PA not PB cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 OK, got it PA 40520. What does that tell you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Confirms one you have the correct motor to the body it also confirms its a 1931 PA car titled as a 32 and other stuff with the serial number and engine number may be keiser can give production dates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArticiferTom Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 The 72931 is probable casting date . You can usually see rivets head outline on ends . 7/29/31 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ply33 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Brooklyn Beer said: OK, got it PA 40520. What does that tell you ? 52 minutes ago, thehandleman said: Confirms one you have the correct motor to the body it also confirms its a 1931 PA car titled as a 32 and other stuff with the serial number and engine number may be keiser can give production dates Per my website: Engine Number PA40520 Found in range 1001 to 107093 Serial 39520 of 106093 Year 1931-32 Make Plymouth Model Four, Special Deluxe or Thrift Engineering Code PA Type Inline, L-Head Cylinders 4 Bore and Stroke 3-5/8x4-3/4 Cu.In. 196.1 Compression 4.9:1 BHP 56@2800 Torque 130@1600 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 Was it very common to build cars in a previous year and then title them the following year? Can we tell if this is the motor that came with the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandleman Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Plymouth Serial Numbers Serial numbers are from [Chrysler 1973]. In parentheses below the 1928-29 “FedCo” numbers are the translated numeric strings. In the case of Canadian built cars the unknown letter “G” is left as a question mark. Pre-WW2 vehicles with a model code ending in “X” were export models. The one exception is the 1933 PCXX (Standard 6) built for domestic US sale. The export version of the 1933 Standard 6 was the PCXXX. The value in the “Total” column is the difference between the start and end numbers. Year Cylinders Model Name Model Code Plant Start Serial Close Serial Total 1928 4 Q Detroit HL-950-P (37-950-1) HD-999-D (39-999-9) 20,499 RW-000-P (40-000-1) RH-977-H (43-977-3) 39,773 Windsor GP-000-P (?1-000-1) GP-582-E (?1-582-8) 5,828 1929 4 U Detroit RR-120-P (44-120-1) RD-999-D (49-582-8) 54,628 Y-000-YP (5-000-51) Y-403-EP (5-503-81) 40,331 Windsor GP-583-W (?1-583-0) GC-499-L (?2-499-7) 34,165 1930 4 Finer 30-U Detroit 1,500,001 1,570,188 70,188 Windsor 9,300,001 9,305,327 5,327 1931 4 PA PAX Detroit 1,570,301 1,667,963 97,663 Windsor 9,305,401 9,307,933 2,533 Special DeLuxe PA Detroit 1,668,000 1,668,001 2 1932 4 Thrift PA Detroit 1,669,001 1,669,644 644 Detroit 1,670,001 1,674,250 4,250 New Finer PB PBX PBY Detroit 1,680,001 1,758,001 78,001 Windsor 9,307,951 9,310,965 3,015 Looks like from his website I cut and pasted her, and the serial number you provided Brooklyn Beer serial # 1606954 I highlighted in Red your car I would think should be titled as a 1931 by serial number look at PLY33's list and your number is Detroit 1931 if it was a 1932 PA Thrift would be a rare low preduction Just my surmize from PLY33's website ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArticiferTom Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just get the build card from Chrysler . I assume they are available like Dodges are . But looks real good to be factory engine . And titling depended on when sold . If engine was cast mid 31 , assemble could have been late year . Calling new 32 model . Same is done today any car build late year with model change can be called later year . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 The car has factory freewheeling but would need to see if the wire wheels were sold on the car because the thrift model had wood wheels. Looking at the paint chart I am thinking of doing the pinstripe as from factory with the stripe matching the wire wheel color. Is anyone familiar with what the Vermilion red paint code is today that would match? I do a search and it comes up Ford. Crown Maroon (IM-1129) Black (LE-30VV) Vermillion [Ditzler Undated] and [Buton 2001] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Beer Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 13 hours ago, ArticiferTom said: Just get the build card from Chrysler . I assume they are available like Dodges are . But looks real good to be factory engine . And titling depended on when sold . If engine was cast mid 31 , assemble could have been late year . Calling new 32 model . Same is done today any car build late year with model change can be called later year . how does one go about getting the build card? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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