1932 Plymouth differences on late VS early?

[Brooklyn Beer]

I am searching for a price on an exhaust and intake manifold gasket for a 1932 Plymouth and they mention pre April and after April.  What is the differences?  And how does one tell what you have?  And while we are on it who is a good supplier of parts for this year?  If I make the trade for this car I am going to be needing a gasket set to start off with.     

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[JACK M]

www.olsensgaskets.com 

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[31plymouth]

I use the 32 one piece exhaust gasket on my 31.(my early 31 originally had individual circular ring gaskets for each port)

I think the one piece exhaust will work for all 31-31 Plymouths.   The intake is also available and I believe 31 and 32 are interchangable

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[thehandleman]

Whats your engine serial number ?  from what I can tell this is a PA not a PB as your picture shows a straight front grille shell. The PB is different get numbers and picture of front of car also serial on door post rear window pic, and your instrument panel, and your exterior door handles, we need to know what your dealing with first but the PA and the PB used carter BB1 carbs yours is a Carter like a DRT-08 or RT-08 Brass bowl,  I have a 29 U and a 32 PB the only difference in the intake exhaust  I thought and I could be wrong was the extra bolt on my PB securing the intake exhaust manifold but with these freaking meds I am not sure. Remember you can have a titled car as a 32 does not make it a PB,but it is a 32 model year.

[Brooklyn Beer]

It is a PA  Here are the numbers  3147292   with an H under it and also these appear  72931.  I have zero experience with a 32 plymouth but I am about to get some as I made the swap for the car which now only leaves the GM 49 Buick in the garage full of Mopars.  

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[Brooklyn Beer]

[Brooklyn Beer]

What is the difference between late from April 1   and early before April 1 mean when looking for gaskets?   has anyone ever used this gasket maker ?   http://fcrcmachine.com/remflex-exhaust-gaskets-dodge-plymouth-1932-l4-198ci-intake-exhaust-6034/

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[thehandleman]

Ok you have a PA car,  the dash Instrument panel is a PA, the exterior door handles are PA,  the headlight bar is PA, the PB Headlights mount to fenders by there own mounts not on a bar,  Horn on engine is a Pancake used by PA Cars, Grille is a PA and if your wire wheels are 19" It's a PA

Look at front engine block upper left front of block should be engine number it will always start with the model letter of car then numbers so 29 and 30 might be U ###### the 31 be PA ###### PB ###### etc.,

[keiser31]

3 hours ago, thehandleman said:

Whats your engine serial number ?  from what I can tell this is a PA not a PB as your picture shows a straight front grille shell. The PB is different get numbers and picture of front of car also serial on door post rear window pic, and your instrument panel, and your exterior door handles, we need to know what your dealing with first but the PA and the PB used carter BB1 carbs yours is a Carter like a DRT-08 or RT-08 Brass bowl,  I have a 29 U and a 32 PB the only difference in the intake exhaust  I thought and I could be wrong was the extra bolt on my PB securing the intake exhaust manifold but with these freaking meds I am not sure. Remember you can have a titled car as a 32 does not make it a PB,but it is a 32 model year.

Yes. Your photos show a PA Plymouth.

[Brooklyn Beer]

Thanks. It was listed as just a 4 door sedan. Like I said, I on a learning curve for these years plymouths

 

[thehandleman]

still a great looking car!

[Brooklyn Beer]

The older I get the more I enjoy life in the slow lane so away goes the 80 Z28 , 4 spd and in comes the 32 Plymouth to stable next to the 31 Franklin.  Tell me more about that horn. I thought it was aftermarket. 

[keiser31]

6 minutes ago, Brooklyn Beer said:

The older I get the more I enjoy life in the slow lane so away goes the 80 Z28 , 4 spd and in comes the 32 Plymouth to stable next to the 31 Franklin.  Tell me more about that horn. I thought it was aftermarket. 

Looks original to me. The 1930 had that same style pancake horn, but it was mounted on the headlight bar. 1931s had them under the hood. Here is another (1931) PA....I see a horn....

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[Brooklyn Beer]

Never seen one before

 

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[Brooklyn Beer]

Looking at the nut on the water pump shaft, do these get repacked like old gate valves and is the material available to repack the water pump yourself?

 

[Brooklyn Beer]

Maybe someone can explain the intake on the Plymouth 4 cylinder motor.  Looking at this intake/exhaust gasket I do not see enough holes for both the intake and exhaust.  Did I have one two many Irish whiskey's tonight or what ?  

[32plywood]

the two end holes and the middle are the exhaust ports ----the other ones are intake. you will also need the gasket that goes in the middle under the intake manifold to exhaust. looks yours is the early 2 bolt set.   the later intake gasket is more of a triangle shape

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[32plywood]

Keiser 31        nice under hood picture of Paul's  old 31 PA convertible possible one of the best restored cars that I know of.  I helped him on some parts he needed when he was working on it.  He sold it a few years back --Allan

[32plywood]

yes the horn on the sedan is correct and mounted in proper location.     The PB cars mounted on steering column and the 30U mounted out front on head lamp bar.

[Brooklyn Beer]

On Paul,s car I do not see an oil filter. Were they a factory option?   I have seen a couple pictures of cars with filters.  

 

[Brooklyn Beer]

any other gaskets needed from this picture that need to be replaced in order to fix the leaky ones ?  Read it was common practice to just trim number 5567 down for the 2 bolt application       

[32plywood]

yes  #5567 can be cut down to work --- most of the PA motors never had an oil filter on them.

[Brooklyn Beer]

I would like to add a filter as things here can get very dry and dusty in summer.  Going through back threads I came across this.  Can anyone comment on it?  I am still searching for a good book or manual for the plymouth 4 cylinder motor so nothing to go off but someone elses idea. 

[31plymouth]

I hope you join the Plymouth owners Club if you haven't done so already.   I have owned my 31 PA for 49 years now and have a lot of information from the Plymouth Owners Club bulletins that I have collected over the years . 

Did you find the serial number in the passenger front door pillar?   My car is registered with the Engine Number  PA27620.

 

You can PM me and I will provide as much info as I can.

[Brooklyn Beer]

Evidently that tag is no longer on the door.  I did post the numbers the seller was able to give me off the block and that is all I have right now as the car won't ship till after the holiday.  I was looking at the Plymouth Owners Club just last night. Looks like a good deal for sure.

[Brooklyn Beer]

OK, The seller cannot get a good picture of the engine number but he did get me this. I posted the engine casting numbers he was able to find up the thread but this is the serial #  1606954

 

another question.  Is this pinstripe correct for the 32 ?   I am not able to find many pictures of the 32 PA with pinstripe. 

 

[keiser31]

Here is a Plymouth PA. You can see the striping on the raised reveals....click on the photo to enlarge it....thanks to the AACA Library....

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[keiser31]

Similar to the 1931 DB hood reveal, too.

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[thehandleman]

The number you gave is on the block lower  it is a cast number with H underneath

you need  letters in front of the numbers like 

PA#####. This will be drivers side on block upper left front corner right where the cylinder head meets block its a pad thats smooth with Letter followed by numbers

good luck

Rich

[Brooklyn Beer]

Trying to get it.  What is the lower block casting number with the H ?

 

[thehandleman]

Beyond my pay grade sometimes its manufacturer date sometimes its the cast part number and H may mean the month the block was made  I am curious what letter the engine number comes up with shoulf be a PA not PB

cheers

[Brooklyn Beer]

OK,  got it  PA 40520.  What does that tell you ?

[thehandleman]

Confirms one you have the correct motor to the body it also confirms its a 1931 PA car titled as a 32 and other stuff with the serial number and engine number may be keiser can give production dates

[ArticiferTom]

The 72931 is probable casting date . You can usually see rivets head outline on ends . 7/29/31

[ply33]

2 hours ago, Brooklyn Beer said:

OK,  got it  PA 40520.  What does that tell you ?

 

52 minutes ago, thehandleman said:

Confirms one you have the correct motor to the body it also confirms its a 1931 PA car titled as a 32 and other stuff with the serial number and engine number may be keiser can give production dates

 

Per my website:

 

Engine Number	PA40520
Found in range	1001 to 107093
Serial	39520 of 106093
Year	1931-32
Make	Plymouth
Model	Four, Special Deluxe or Thrift
Engineering Code	PA
Type	Inline, L-Head
Cylinders	4
Bore and Stroke	3-5/8x4-3/4
Cu.In.	196.1
Compression	4.9:1
BHP	56@2800
Torque	130@1600

[Brooklyn Beer]

Was it very common to build cars in a previous year and then title them the following year?  Can we tell if this is the motor that came with the car?

 

[thehandleman]

Plymouth Serial Numbers

Serial numbers are from [Chrysler 1973]. In parentheses below the 1928-29 “FedCo” numbers are the translated numeric strings. In the case of Canadian built cars the unknown letter “G” is left as a question mark.

Pre-WW2 vehicles with a model code ending in “X” were export models. The one exception is the 1933 PCXX (Standard 6) built for domestic US sale. The export version of the 1933 Standard 6 was the PCXXX.

The value in the “Total” column is the difference between the start and end numbers.

Year	Cylinders	Model Name	Model Code	Plant	Start Serial	Close Serial	Total
1928	4		Q	Detroit	HL-950-P (37-950-1)	HD-999-D (39-999-9)	20,499
					RW-000-P (40-000-1)	RH-977-H (43-977-3)	39,773
				Windsor	GP-000-P (?1-000-1)	GP-582-E (?1-582-8)	5,828
1929	4		U	Detroit	RR-120-P (44-120-1)	RD-999-D (49-582-8)	54,628
					Y-000-YP (5-000-51)	Y-403-EP (5-503-81)	40,331
				Windsor	GP-583-W (?1-583-0)	GC-499-L (?2-499-7)	34,165
1930	4	Finer	30-U	Detroit	1,500,001	1,570,188	70,188
				Windsor	9,300,001	9,305,327	5,327
1931	4		PA PAX	Detroit	1,570,301	1,667,963	97,663
				Windsor	9,305,401	9,307,933	2,533
		Special DeLuxe	PA	Detroit	1,668,000	1,668,001	2
1932	4	Thrift	PA	Detroit	1,669,001	1,669,644	644
				Detroit	1,670,001	1,674,250	4,250
		New Finer	PB PBX PBY	Detroit	1,680,001	1,758,001	78,001
				Windsor	9,307,951	9,310,965	3,015

 

Looks like from his website I cut and pasted her, and the serial number you provided Brooklyn Beer  serial #  1606954  I highlighted in Red your car I would think should be titled as a 1931 by serial number look at PLY33's list and your number is Detroit 1931 if it was a 1932 PA Thrift would be a rare low preduction Just my surmize from PLY33's website ???

 

 

 

[ArticiferTom]

Just get the build card from Chrysler . I assume they are available like Dodges are . But looks real good to be factory engine . And titling depended on when sold . If engine was cast mid 31 , assemble could have been late year . Calling new 32 model . Same is done today any car build late year with model change can be called later year .

[Brooklyn Beer]

The car has factory freewheeling but would need to see if the wire wheels were sold on the car because the thrift model had wood wheels.  Looking at the paint chart I am thinking of doing the pinstripe as from factory with the stripe matching the wire wheel color.  Is anyone familiar with what the Vermilion red paint code is today that would match?  I do a search and it comes up Ford.

 

Crown Maroon (IM-1129)

Black (LE-30VV)

Vermillion

[Ditzler Undated] and [Buton 2001]

[Brooklyn Beer]

13 hours ago, ArticiferTom said:

Just get the build card from Chrysler . I assume they are available like Dodges are . But looks real good to be factory engine . And titling depended on when sold . If engine was cast mid 31 , assemble could have been late year . Calling new 32 model . Same is done today any car build late year with model change can be called later year .

how does one go about getting the build card?