alsfarms Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) hmmmmm.....on further investigation. The Locomobile Society motor number list lumps the 1924 and 1925 Locomobile production under the 19000 series. I was under the belief that only 1925 Locomobile 48's were considered 19000 series automobiles. I suppose that a certain degree of ambiguity existed as Locomobile was winding down and this series number breakdown may well be one of those ambiguities. Al Edited March 21, 2022 by alsfarms clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) After more contemplation of numbers stamped into the hoods of Locomobile automobiles. I still am scratching my head!? The matching stamped numbers on each side of a pair of Locomobile 48 hood side panels are plainly stamped 3171. They didn't start making 48's in 1910....or did they? 1911 is a correct year for a Model M 48 Locomobile. I do not know for sure but doubt that they marketed even a preproduction 48 in 1910.....or did they? Or is it possible that 3171 was made in 1910 and marketed as a 1911? For fun I will attach a picture of an original Locomobile Model L (4 cylinder) hood with the number 4541 stamped into it. From the number list 4541 is a Model L mid year 1911 hood. None of this makes me loose sleep but knowledge is good! Share your thoughts? Al Edited March 21, 2022 by alsfarms Clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 Here is a second picture of Locomobile hood 4541. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I was able to play with this one last week.......just for a moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) OK Ed, No teases. At least wet our whistle as to what this Locomobile is and what you may have got to do, (of course courtesy and privacy is important if needed as you tell your story). What year is the roadster? Al Edited March 21, 2022 by alsfarms spelling (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittenbacher Frank Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 The internet offers some freely accessible information about that particular car. Ed, I would be interested if you can confirm the statements about the restauration work and how the car performs today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Ittenbacher Frank said: Dear George, I know the list which is published on the locomobilesociety-page. I was hoping that I find something more specific on the years 1921-23, because they show just one entry for these three years. Thanks! 4 hours ago, Ittenbacher Frank said: Dear George, I know the list which is published on the locomobilesociety-page. I was hoping that I find something more specific on the years 1921-23, because they show just one entry for these three years. Thanks! My understanding is between Hare’s Motors and Durant the previous years data was destroyed. Why the data from 1921 to the end was accounted for differently I don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Frank has it......cool car in a fantastic collection.......owner is private, and a fun guy. I didn’t even ask to take photos.......it was obvious he wanted his privacy. He has a bunch of fun and great stuff.......can’t mention it all.....I’m going to visit him again soon.........and take a car or two for a ride...........he has an issue shifting one of his cars........and I’m going to help him out. Reports are it runs like the wind........With luck, I will let you know. Although, I must admit the car next to it is ten times more interesting.......how is that for a tease! 🤫 Edited March 22, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Oh man......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh9222 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 This comment relates to the discussion of VIN's for 1925 Locos. I originally bought VIN 19000 thinking it was a 1924. I verified this through the Loco Society's listing of VINs on their site. There is an error on the title that states that it is a 1927. Later, as I reviewed various articles and sales to investigate more about my find. I began to question the accuracy of the Loco Societies VIN. I located "The Classic Car Database" and they stated that my Loco was a 1925 based on it's VIN. This site says that all 1924 model had a 18000 VIN. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Hello Hugh, Your understanding is the same that I have learned also. It proves, yet again, that even the written word may be based on something besides hard proven fact. Documentation is very important and helps us to prolificate fact not fallacy. Thanks for your comment. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 1:46 PM, edinmass said: I was able to play with this one last week.......just for a moment. Isn't that the car that was in Don Boulton's collection? That was the story I got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittenbacher Frank Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 16 hours ago, edinmass said: Frank has it......cool car in a fantastic collection.......owner is private, and a fun guy. I didn’t even ask to take photos.......it was obvious he wanted his privacy. He has a bunch of fun and great stuff.......can’t mention it all.....I’m going to visit him again soon.........and take a car or two for a ride...........he has an issue shifting one of his cars........and I’m going to help him out. Reports are it runs like the wind........With luck, I will let you know. Although, I must admit the car next to it is ten times more interesting.......how is that for a tease! 🤫 I am sure it runs like the wind, especially when you sit on it's side-chair!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Yes, I certainly think riding in that seat at speed on the roads of the day or at higher speeds of today's roads were certainly test or prove your manhood! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittenbacher Frank Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, hugh9222 said: This comment relates to the discussion of VIN's for 1925 Locos. I originally bought VIN 19000 thinking it was a 1924. I verified this through the Loco Society's listing of VINs on their site. There is an error on the title that states that it is a 1927. Later, as I reviewed various articles and sales to investigate more about my find. I began to question the accuracy of the Loco Societies VIN. I located "The Classic Car Database" and they stated that my Loco was a 1925 based on it's VIN. This site says that all 1924 model had a 18000 VIN. Sorry, I don't think that all 1924 cars had a number starting with 18000, because the operating manual for the 19000-series which has been issued in August 1924 shows several photos of parts with serial numbers starting with 19000. The other way around (issuing the manual later and/or showing older cars with lower number like 18000) would make sense, but here you see: The 19000-series must have started well before 1925! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Ittenbacher Frank said: I am sure it runs like the wind, especially when you sit on it's side-chair!!! I sat in it.......not very comfortable in the garage......at speed......bring a change of underwear! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 Hello Frank, I don't think that Locomobile changed Model years on December 31. I do think that the 1925 year started in the fall of 1924. A 1924 Locomobile Model year would have started in the fall of 1923. I wish that a hard date was chosen, for Model year change, but I doubt it was publicized. If any reader here has good proof of an exact date the the Locomobile Model stopped one year and started another, please share your information. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Some period photos show men setting in touring cars with a boiler hat on and no windshield. My guess is these cars were generally not driven fast in period; that boiler hat would not last long. Speed limits in many towns was five miles per hour. The side seat would be very comfortable at that speed. Moreover, the object of owning these cars was to be seen driving them. If one was to drive fast, it would defeat the purpose. Now, I know we live in a much different time and it seems everybody wants to be a race car driver and cars are judged by how fast they will go. Ninety years ago, the streets in town allowed for faster driving but not with that speed limit and country roads were rough. Just some observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 12:15 PM, alsfarms said: Speaking of Italian or French body builders, (autombile), per George and Ed as above referenced. Here is an interesting current eBay auction. Did BINDER do any bodies for Locomobile? Does anyone here know? This tag is likely from a newer year than our Locomobiles, the subject of this forum. Al There’s a real photo of a French carrosserie 1915 Locomobile. The tell of the year is the partially louvered hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco 90 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Loco 17005 hard at work on a beautiful spring day. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 Gosh that doesn't look like work to me. The smiles make it appear to have a big fun factor! Is this a current picture? Looks like nice spring weather! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) Hey Hugh....... What is the latest work on your Locomobile project? Now that Covid-19 is settling down, maybe we can get back to work! Al Edited May 2, 2022 by alsfarms spelling and clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 Here is a new referral for a 1917 Locmobile 48 for sale. This is a nice one and is currently offered by Dragone. If you are in the high end market and looking for a good automobile, this may be it. Al https://www.dragoneclassic.com/inventory/p/1917-locomobile-model-48-farnham-and-nelson-dual-cowl-victoria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 Does anyone visiting here know more of this Locomobile? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Al, this is the John McAlpin car we discussed at length a couple of years ago. Dragone has a complete write up of the car on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, AHa said: Al, this is the John McAlpin car we discussed at length a couple of years ago. Dragone has a complete write up of the car on their website. That's a lot of car for 25k! Just joking......but the call me for the price listing pisses me off........ask a million, it's fine. But why waste time calling if the car is 300k over your price range........or the market? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 It's the old adage, if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Seriously though, I'm with you, anybody who knows cars knows the price is going to be up there, why not just post it? I'm guessing somewhere around 500k asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 1 hour ago, AHa said: It's the old adage, if you have to ask, you can't afford it. Seriously though, I'm with you, anybody who knows cars knows the price is going to be up there, why not just post it? I'm guessing somewhere around 500k asking. While the restoration could easily cost 500k, market on such cars is soft……..even on special cars. It’s much more likely to end up in a museum collection……….if I remember correctly, it’s the factory color……..but it certainly will hurt the value in the open market. Loco’s rarely hit it out of the park in the price category…….not saying that they shouldn’t, it’s just market reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 I have heard rumors that some cars drive like a truck………..seems there is another rumor that some Loco’s drive like a tank. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 Hmmmmm.... It amazes me the width and dept of the accomplishments of Locomobile. I didn't know of "Tank" involvement in WW1 by Locomobile. I wonder if any still exist? I wonder if these tanks were a pattern built unit brought to production in a similar way as the Liberty trucks? Thanks for sniffing out and posting the "drives like a tank" Locomobile picture. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Al, you buying lunch? Maybe you can install a kitchen in your sedan...........I'll have Beef Wellington please........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 I did post this picture on the Locomobile-Riker truck forum. Beef Wellington.....hmmmmm. I wonder if S..t on the shingle was a WW1 delicacy or if it came about during WW2. My Father spoke highly of that famous and tasty military dish as he served in Italy during WW2. I will have to consider the kitchen in the Demarest Limousine. 🙂 Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Better yet, fly on down to Palm Beach, and we can take the White to The Breakers for lunch. You have to buy. Of course, it will put your restoration back a few years because it's hard to get out of the seafood bar for under 800 dollars for two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) Maybe if I can convince them that you can wash dishes........ 🙂 🙂 I can be the bouncer. Maybe we are getting a real workable plan going! I don't know, do you trust the Valet parking guys with your White? Al Edited May 4, 2022 by alsfarms Clarity (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) I have posted this before, but I believe this is the Loco 48 that Dragone is selling. Edited May 4, 2022 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alsfarms Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 I would like a set of those nice disc wheels. Who has a set they don't like...... Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, alsfarms said: I would like a set of those nice disc wheels. Who has a set they don't like...... Al You can have them made. Probably about 10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted May 5, 2022 Author Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) I wonder if the original disc wheels, shown above, were spun and polished aluminum or stamped steel and nickel plated? Al Edited May 5, 2022 by alsfarms Clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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