nzcarnerd Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Looks to be an Overland and a Chalmers behind but what is the roadster in the foreground? Taken at the Cave of the Winds. Is that the Colorado one or the Niagara Falls one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just found another photo which looks to be the same car. Answered my question re: the location - Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
41 Su8 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Possibly 1918 Buick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanski Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Late teens Kissel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Paulsen Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The roadster is a Kissel - the round, white emblem on the radiator core gives it away. The car in the middle looks like a Chandler, not a Chalmers. It has a 'dog bone' shape radiator emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 Thanks for that. Re: the Chandler I sometimes get those two 'Ch' cars mixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 All - Agree with Chris. The front car is definitely a 1917 or 1918 Kissel Model 6-38 Hundred Point Six Standard Roadster. They got pretty racey with their sloping windshield! Thanks, Ron Hausmann P.E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 I found another pic of what I presume is the same car. I guess Colorado required cars to have a plate at the rear only as the front on views show no plate. I think I drove over Berthoud Pass on my 1978 road trip. It would have been quite a climb in 1918. I guess they did high altitude tuning then too? From what I can find the Kissel used an 'own make' 284 cid L head six - 3 3/16" x 5 1/2" developing about 60 bhp. With a 3.6:1 rear end it would go quite well by the standards of the time. I know my California Pontiac didn't really perform on those high mountain roads. I think about 35 mph was all it would manage - 326 and M20 auto in a '67 LeMans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yep....you can see the same dent in the inside of the rear fender in the first photo of the roadster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 How about this one,can this be a Kissel Kar too? Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Looks like the same woman in the first photo. I think the photos are by Harry Rhoads and that is his wife. Look him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 You are right, nzcarnerd; they looks the same. My picture are copied from the Swedish Brass-Nickel page (Mässing-Nickel). But still wondering about the car, Kissel Kar or not? Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjay Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Top of the windshield frame is different as well as the apron on the front frame horns. Lost the bumper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstatman Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 And it's a tourer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Fenders are completely different than the first car in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 All, The Swedish car is not a Kissel. Kissel fenders up until mid 1921 were flat, not crowned as the ones in this picture are. Also, the windshield, hood and radiator shapes are each a bit different. Answering a previous post, yes, Kissel Kars were sold out West and, because of their Wisconsin-built ruggedness, horsepower and style, people with money liked them. You could buy ten Model Ts or one Kissel, but if you definitely wanted those attributes, you could buy a Kissel. Pictured below is my original 1924 Kissel which was purchased from a guy in Montana a few years ago. Runs powerfully. Thanks, Ron Hausmann P.E. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron hausmann Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Thanks Reichlieu. Sorry, but my Kissel Collection is not going to be sold nor broken up while I'm alive and can drive them. Thanks, RON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rbrown1917 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) great find with the pictures of the kissel ! I added them to my file for reference in restoring my 17' kissel 4 passenger roadster. The one picture showing the tail light is of huge help Edited January 31, 2018 by Rbrown1917 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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