Guest Dmbyrnes Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Location is Vancouver BC. The photo is dated 1915, but the car is LHD and British Columbia still drove on the left, with the steering wheel on the right until 1922. The hubcaps appear to say HOLDEN and apparently Buick in Canada made Holdens for the Aussie market. Check out the little policeman on the radiator cap! (Not stock!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dmbyrnes Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 However, Australia always drove on the left, so maybe it's not a Holden for export... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) There were no Holden cars until 1948, though Holdens body works made bodies in Oz from about 1917 and became part of GM in 1931. I haven't deciphered yet what is on the hubcaps, all I can see is that the lettering is smaller in the middle than it is at the ends. The car has hints of both Oldsmobile and Reo but it is neither of those. I wondered if it might be a McLaughlin but their badge was a diamond shape.Note the humourous hood ornament. It looks to be a caricature policeman. Edited May 25, 2014 by nzcarnerd (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisselman27 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Holden did not produce its first car until the late forties. Up until that time Holden was a body builder. Australia had high tariffs in complete cars being imported into the country and even higher tariffs on cars which were not British Empire products. These tariffs supported a thriving body building industry. As a Dominion, Australia supported British Empire products and this was why most of the Fords cars coming into Australia at this time were Canadian built.<o:p></o:p> Cheers<o:p></o:p> John<o:p></o:p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 It is correct that BC drove on the left in 1915, but cars were sold with the steering wheel on the left or right. There is a left hand drive 1917 Studebaker in the Surrey Museum which was sold new in Vancouver and has a very well known history. A search for Studebakers and probably other cars of that era in the Vancouver city archives will produce photos of fleets of cars with both left and right hand drive.The actual change to left hand drive occurred in 1920, but wasn't completed until 1922.Although there are inconsistencies in the photo, I am leaning towards Oldsmobile.Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Looks very close to a 1917 "d" series V8 Chevrolet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcr Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 These appear to be "HOUK" wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I agree on the similarity to the V8 Chev which makes me think it might be a GM product. The V8 though has a removeable panel below the dirvers door and the hood louvres on teh Chev look to be straight whereas those on this car look to have slight curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Also the pic is dated 1915 and the Chev V8 only began production in late 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 This photo is from the Vancouver city archives. There are some things about it that make me suspect that it was taken later than 1915. The Georgia viaduct opened on Dominion Day (now Canada Day) July 1st, 1915. It does not look new in this photo. Also, the car is on the correct side of the street for left hand drive. As noted above, BC drove on the other side of the street in 1915. It has been my experience that the archives are sometimes inaccurate with the dating of photos.Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The only other car that I can find that closely resembles the unknown one is a 1915 Remington. There are very few photos of the Remington on the net but it is a definite possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Dort ??Yes, those are Houk wire wheels with emblems that have block letter HOUK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 (edited) Dort ??Yes, thin Canada they were known as Gray Dortse are Houk wire wheels with emblems that have block letter HOUK.You might be right Layden, except that In Canada they were known as Gray Dort. That being the case, it is definitely later than 1915. The front fender line is right for 1920.www.autos.ca/motoring-memories/motoring-memories-gray-dort-1915-1925Terry Edited May 26, 2014 by dictator27 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 The lube fitting in the middle of the splash apron is for the front bearing of the cantilever springs of the rear suspension. Like a Model A Ford truck if you are familiar with them. Very unusual to have a lube fitting in that spot.Yes, the car that here in the US was called the Dort, was built in Canada as the Gray Dort. Here there was another make of automobile called the Gray. Now if you got that straight try rubbing your stomach and patting your head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 The lube fitting in the middle of the splash apron is for the front bearing of the cantilever springs of the rear suspension. Like a Model A Ford truck if you are familiar with them. Very unusual to have a lube fitting in that spot.Yes, the car that here in the US was called the Dort, was built in Canada as the Gray Dort. Here there was another make of automobile called the Gray. Now if you got that straight try rubbing your stomach and patting your head!Is this what you call the "Gray" area? Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 1915 Remington AutomobileThe above image was taken from the internet "The History of the Early American Automobile Industry" 1891 - 1929 Chapter 23 - 1915 and is identified as a 1915 Remington. Looks very much like the car on the bridge. In particular the tips of the front guards and the body styling around the top of the front seats. You can't see the lube fitting mentioned by Layden but then until you enlarge the bridge photo you can't see it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 There are certainly similarities with the Remington, but it has a one piece windshield whereas the Vancouver car has a two piece. Also the headlight rims look larger on the Vancouver car. Too bad the hood louvres on the Remington can't be seen. That might seal the deal because it is unlikely, although not impossible, that a Remington ever made to Vancouver considering its short production life.Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 They both have a prominent running board apron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I agree with the observations of Dictator27 and Dave Mellor. Unless a better photo of a 1915 Remington is found I don't think a positive ID can be made but it certainly looks very close to me. Whatever the Vancouver car is I think it is very smart particularly if it is in fact a 1915 vintage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I'll go with a 1918 Pan. Made in St Cloud Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 ????? OK WTF? Just found a picture of the Pan automobile. Just one problem. The picture is the same as the one above which says it is a 1915 Remington!! The Pan picture says 1918. www.american-automobiles.com/Pan.htmlTerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 There's a fair amount of info on Pans available. One thing I found that has possibilities is this rare Pan 250 project.Nice story anyway.http://www.pantowners.org/250project.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DKD Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 The Pan didn't have wire wheels. Here is a link to a Pan registry:http://www.pantowners.org/panreg.html The Saint Cloud Antique Auto Club has two Pan Automobiles and as of now there are six on this Page. I am the web master for our club and welcome any information about any Pans any one would like to share with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stude17 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 How about a Barrie Bell circa 1916? These vehicles were apparently the product of the Bell Motor Car Company of York Pennsylvania and assembled in Barrie, Ontario Canada by the Barrie Carriage Company. There is a photo of a 1917 Barrie Bell located in York Pa. on the internet and from an article in the Barrie and area News dated December 12, 1997 another Barrie Bell is being restored there. I have a copy of the Barrie and area News article but can't recall where I got it. It appears that they are extremely rare and possibly the only two vehicles of this make left in existence. The photo of the York vehicle bears a strong resemblance to the Vancouver photo and it makes sense to me that the unidentified vehicle in question would have a Canadian connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Not to do with the car, but the tall building in the background was used as the Watchtower building in the TV series Smallville, digitally enhanced to look taller. It was the tallest building in the British Commonwealth when it was completed in 1912. Then known as the World Building, the Vancouver World newspaper was published there initially. Later the Vancouver Sun newspaper took over the building, and it is today known as the Sun Tower even though the Sun itself has moved on.Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcarfudd Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Moline Knight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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