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Does anyone have a loose 32 DL mat - the one that surrounds the gearshift and brake levers? I'd like to try and reproduce it with the steel core. There is no trace of the one that used to be on my DL. I'll be glad to return it once I make the pattern mold. Was there also a matt around the pedals?

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They are called draftpads, I have several DA but I doubt they are the same. There was a series of articles written by Jack Carpenter that may help, they have to be on the D.B club back issues CD? I have the articles and can mail them if you would like to read them. According to Jack unless I am mistaken you will not have much luck getting the steel encapsulated within the rubber.

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Draftpads - you learn something new everyday. If you don't mind I'd like to read the articles you're talking about. PM me and I'll get you my email address. I had good luck making a set of axle pads for my 29 Plymouth years ago. The rubber pads were bonded onto a metal support and it all worked smoothly. The large, flat area of the draftpad may be more of a problem, however. You can't blame a guy for trying.

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Bonded onto a metal support would be different from the originals, the originals ( 29/30 cant say for 32 ) as I mentioned were buried within the rubber. I have never had the chance to fool with this myself although it is on my to-do list, I would be interested very much in your procedure and the turn-out as I am sure many others would be.

You can e-mail me at jhason2@yahoo.com and I will look for the copies too send no problem.

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My friend's DL is missing this as well, and I don't have any for my coupes either that I know of (unless there's some hiding in a box that I haven't seen yet). I think I've seen the '32 Plymouth ones available, however, they are a different shape, and I am not sure they have a steel core in them.

The hardest thing would be to make the mold. If one had a sample that could be digitized, I am sure a company specializing in rapid prototyping could make a plastic mold. Supporting the plate in the mold shouldn't be an issue. you just need some stands that locate in the screw holes that support it the thickness of the rubber, or urethane that you want to pour in there.

Or, the more expensive way (and likely how they were made), is make a metal mold of each side, layer some specialized rubber sheet on either side of the center plate, and press the mold halves together under high pressure and temperature, which will form the rubber, and bond it to the steel. This is how engine mounts are made. Someone I met this winter builds transmission mounts for 1957 Lincolns this way. I should ask him if he can make bigger pieces.

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I had a close look at Phil Kennedy's original DL when I went to visit him last month. All the rubber - floormat, pedals, and draftpads had the same unusual ribbed design. I know there is no way I'll ever find - or make - an original floor mat, But I'd like to try and get the draftpads correct. I may have to get Phil to take some close shots of his pads, with measurements, so I can make a pattern on my 3D graphics program and have it printed on a 3D printer. I can use that model to make the molds.

Steele has some nice stuff, but none that matches the DL.

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I have this 1931 DG8 piece. Don't know if it is the same as the '32 DL6. Maybe we can figure out how to make some using this as a pattern?

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There is enough there to make a correct pattern. The tricky part is getting the thickness of the rubber around the emergency brake area correct. It has to be thin enough to be flexible but thick enough not to tear. Phil will have to chime in and let us know if that matches his DL.

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Here are some better shots of it for comparison.....my patent number search on Google went here...Patent US1663586 - OF HOLLAND - Google Patents

Now....I wonder if there are some old N.O.S. parts on their shelves in Holland, Michigan.....

I will try to find the one from my DH6 to see if it is different. In my DH6 Master Parts Book, it says, "Pad-gearshift hole-left hand drive......#345395" and "Pad-gearshift hole-right hand drive......#344048". I cannot imagine why they would differ.

The parts book says that the one I have is for the DG8 right hand drive only. The car it came from was a left hand driver.

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Parts like this are made in a heat press much like you described. a mould is made in 2 halves, a layer of raw rubber is placed in one half followed by the metal form and then the other halve containing another layer of rubber is stacked together and placed in a heat press. The 2 halves are then pressed together under high pressure and heated around 350- 450 degrees for a few minutes to vulcanize everything together. A good CNC machinist can make a set of dies fairly easily if he has all the correct dimensions. Measurements are the key. Restoration Specialties makes parts like this but it may take a long time! I'm surprised that Steele doesn't have something like this in their lines as the pattern seems to be the standard pattern for WPC cars. Perhaps theres not a large enough market. Steele used to have ones for '32 Ply PB , '32 Chry. C1 and Desoto, '32-'33Chrys., '32-'33 Ply Pc-PD and Dodge DP maybe you could use one of those! They also listed one for '31 Desoto and Chrys. that looks identical to the photo above.

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That looks the same as my 1931 DH. Without them side by side it's hard to tell if they would be different in size.

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Looks like the DL6 had a completely different part number/pad.

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I have not had a chance yet but if you have a part number for the original pad I can maybe tell you what other vehicles used the same pads, do you have these numbers?

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I don't. I fear only someone with an original pad can help us. I don't intend to ask Phil to remove his. Steele lists pads for 1932 Chryslers, Plymouths, and DeSotos, but not for Dodge so it doesn't match any of those.

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I poured over some parts books but without a part number its like looking for a needle in a haystack ( not quite )

The MPB books are gear for part numbers, M.S parts books make finding parts a whole lot easier but your book has no listing ( page is missing I am sure )

Get that number from Phil, he may not have to remove it but instead get out the creeper and a flashlight and look underneath, it will most likely be a duffy pad and then # adjacent to that or 4 screws and the pad comes off. Once you have the number I can tell you what other models used the same pad within Dodge family and possibly Plymouth.

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The pad sits on a steel plate, so it will have to be removed to see the number.

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I don't intend to ask Phil to remove his.
I just spotted this thread soooooo...

Tomorrow's supposed to be a decent day. I'll back Debbie out and see what's what.

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Its obvious why people can no longer afford to properly restore a car with parts gougers like this ..........New Floor Plate Gearshift Handbrake Pad 1932 Mopar Plymouth PB | eBay

I would absolutely go for the experience trials and tribulations of making my own before I paid this guy for his even if it just happened to be the correct one which it may be considering it is supposedly 32.

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Judging from the bag behind it this is a Steele reproduction piece. From that standpoint, he's not really gouging as Steele wants $148.80 for the piece. Either way, it's not a bargin. The sad reality is between the cost of the rubber, the mold-making materials and restoring or remaking the original for the mold, you're going to spend a lot more than that to make one. I enjoy figuring things out, but it doesn't always translate into saving money. If I had a nice CNC mill, I could machine the mold rather easily, but to hire a machinist to do it would cost a fortune. I have made similar pieces before using plexiglass and styrene strips. It didn't cost much, but the time involved was ridiculous. It was fun, so I didn't mind.

Things have changed, and there's no going back. When I bought my 32 for $400, I never thought I'd see the day when a beat-up fender for the car would cost twice what I originally paid for it. A gallon of paint that used to be $35.00 is now over a thousand! Any restoration worth its salt these days isn't going to come cheap even if you do most of the work yourself. I don't like it any more than you do, but that's the way it is.

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The price is good on that part but I agree that all that stuff is way too expensive. It makes it even harder when there is only one manufacturer for much of that stuff; if you corner the market you can ask pretty much what you like! But if you need the part that's what you'll pay. Restoration Specialties has a rubber mat that carries a very similar profile that could be fashioned into a pad with a little thought and effort. But again, it's going to take time and you still won't have the correct part although, you might get pretty close. If you could get a mould made I sure RS could make them for you but the mould's the thing. That's where the money is!

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Here are some pics of my '32s shifter/hand brake floor pad...part number 360081.

As you can see, it's not flat anymore, and the rubber is brittle, so trying to mold off it would be problematic.

I can work up a plan with dimensions, if that would help?

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Wow, Phil, you went above and beyiond the call of duty! I was worried you might damage it taking it off. That's about as simple as it gets - a square. A plan with dimensions would be perfect. If you could take an extreme close-up of the pattern with a ruler in the shot it would really help. Also, the thickness. I think I know how to reproduce those fine lines in between the thicker ribs. Once I get an exact size I'll give it a try and post results. You can email me the plan if you want, but if I have the side to side and top to bottom dimensions I can size your photo in Photoshop and work everthing out.

Notice it's close, but not the same as the 32 PB.

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