Guest windjamer Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I was a fan of Earnheart Sr. for many years untill his unfortunate death. With the thought of like father like son I started to cheer for Jr. I have come to the conclusion that Jr. wouldnt make a pimple on daddys butt and if he wins anouther race he will need a GPS to find winners circle. I think Curts little brouther needs to grow up, and Mark Martin is teaching some of the kids (JR.) included, how to drive To bad he turned fifty befor he rec. a real car. So how bout it, who would you cheer for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Don_Birdsong Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dick,Dale Sr. was the 3rd best driver ever behind Richard Petty & David Pearson. Dale Jr. is not Dale Sr. and people should stop judging him that way. I am a Dale Jr. fan and think he's a great driver.His fans and everyone else should realize that and cheer because of his accomplishments and not his dad's(Winning the Daytona 500 on his 5th try not 20 like his dad for example). Hendrick made a major mistake bringing Tony Eury Jr. with him. They never were that good together. Hopefully Lance McGrew will get him back were he needs to be.I completely agree with you about Kyle Busch.I cheer for anybody in a Chevrolet especially when they whip anybody in a Toyota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dick, my wife laughed at each one of those comments. I think she may be in agreement with you. I disagree with one point, though. Growing up is not a requirement to drive fast, and say what you want about little "shrub", but he can drive the wheels off of most anything out there. He's also making Hendrick look a little stupid right now. Oh! My wife can't stand the kid! Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James12 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Chevrolet indeed rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Wayne when he bends over with that stupid sarcastic bow someone should boot his bottom over the fence. BTW have you watched Tony? I dont think he has scratched a fender since he became an owner. Diana Patrick was signing autographs at the Concours at Bethleham,wasnt one of the cup drivers **iching cause she was kicking his butt? Made her add some wight to the car and she still whiped his butt. Wish someone would sponsor her for nascar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: windjamer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Wish someone would sponsor her for nascar </div></div>She isn't ready for the Cup Series. She needs to spend some time in the Nationwide series or someone will hand her head to her. Open wheel racing is very different from "stock car" racing.My favorite driver was Darrell Waltrip. I like several others, but haven't settled on just one since Darrell quite driving. I <span style="font-weight: bold">don't like </span>Kyle or Kurt Bush....period. They are two people that I just want to <span style="font-weight: bold">smack</span>, and I am pretty much a non-violent person.Dale Sr. was born one day before I was in the same year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have come to the conclusion that Jr. wouldnt make a pimple on daddys butt and if he wins anouther race he will need a GPS to find winners circle</div></div>....and Kyle Petty was no different. Davey Allison on the other hand was a good driver, but maybe the skill gets lost in the third generation. Ralph versus Dale Earnhardt, Lee versus Richard Petty, Bobby versus Davey Allison???Then on the same token, David Pearson's two boys didn't set the world on fire either, but some of that may have been the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ex98thdrill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ....and Kyle Petty was no different.</div></div>Kyle did fairly well until his nineteen-year-old son Adam was killed in a practice session accident. Kyle never fully came back from that. His main focus to heal is the <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Victory Junction Gang Camp</span></span> which was Adam's dream. Adam had the talent and personality to be as loved as his grandfather "King Richard" is. It was a tragic loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Yeah but Kyle's last win was in 1995. Adam wasn't killed until May, 2000. I'm not taking a shot at Kyle, he's a good man, but the fact remains that the only time Kyle ever kicked any butt on the race track was when Gary Nelson was his crew chief (for team owner Felix Sabates), and everyone knows that Gary Nelson was the biggest outlaw crew chief in the garage. When Dick Beatty retired as NASCAR's Chief technical inspector, he picked Gary for the job because he couldn't catch Gary breaking the rules. When Gary took the job, he caught a lot of people breaking the rules. It goes back to the old statement of "sometimes it takes an outlaw to catch an outlaw."Kyle only won 8 races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Wow, we are sure not following the stereotypes here are we...These New Yorkers showing all of there NASCAR knowledge, and I couldn't tell you much more about NASCAR than there is a race track near Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I understand that some tracks have "old, historic race cars" on display. (Now the thread is "Old vehicle related".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ex98thdrill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Kyle only won 8 races. </div></div> One of which was at Dover, where the AACA had a show last year (Peter J. see how I added that in. ) and we were there to see it.Kyle hated the Dover track and said the best use for it would be to fill it with water and have bass fishing tournaments there. Then he won there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Good point, Susan. That was the AGNM held in May of <span style="font-weight: bold">2006</span>... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abh3usn Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> She isn't ready for the Cup Series. She needs to spend some time in the Nationwide series or someone will hand her head to her. Open wheel racing is very different from "stock car" racing.</div></div>Tony Stewart came from the IRL as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Quote you reference is from Shop Rat's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peter J.Heizmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good point, Susan. That was the AGNM held in May of <span style="font-weight: bold">2006</span>... </div></div>Wow, was it really that long ago? I really thought it was just last year. Time sure flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: abh3usn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tony Stewart came from the IRL as well. </div></div>As did John Andretti, who has had limited success in NASCAR with just two Cup Series wins. When Tony wasn't racing Indy cars, he raced stock cars. He made his NASCAR Busch Series debut in 1996. He drove once in the Craftsman Truck Series, where he finished 10th. Danica needs some seat time in a stock car before she gets into a Cup level car. And if she wants to be taken seriously in NASCAR she needs to keep her clothes on and stop doing teeny bikini photo shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, we are sure not following the stereotypes here are we...</div></div>Nope, I'm living proof that there are rednecks in New York too. Just understand that I'm nowhere close to NYC. Richard Petty's hometown (Randleman, NC) is a lot larger than from where I come from. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These New Yorkers showing all of there NASCAR knowledge, and I couldn't tell you much more about NASCAR than there is a race track near Charlotte</div></div>The last time I was at the track at Charlotte, I was in a passenger seat of one of Richard Petty's stock cars turning laps at about 165mph. I always wanted to have a race car, but we switched to show cars. Your competitors on the showfield don't try to put you in the wall and tear your car up. We can build a show car cheaper than we can race a late model and be competitve and still have something to show for it.We never had any drivers that set the world of NASCAR on fire, but NASCAR Pioneers Wimpy Simple, Billy Rafter and Dutch Hoag all came from within 80 miles of me. In the 1950's the Flock Brothers (Fonty, Tim and Bob) as well as Lee Petty raced at the Monroe County Fairgrounds at a NASCAR sanctioned race. In 1964 Lee Petty made his final NASCAR start as a driver at Watkins Glen. During the 70's we had drivers such as Maynard Troyer and"'Magic Shoes" Mike McLaughlin tear up the local dirt tracks before venturing into NASCAR. In the early 80's we had the Bodine brothers (Geoff, Brett & Todd) turn laps fairly close as well.Before my time my dad was a racer. With all that in mind, you can understand why I don't like to miss the race car demonstration at Hershey. Prior to my deployment to the sand, I used to work the crash truck at Watkins Glen. As a matter of fact I was working the day that the Founders Tour made laps around the track back in 2001.At any rate, I consider myself a true fanatic of basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studemax Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I was NOT a fan of Earnhardt, Sr.I prefer racers who don't take out everybody just to win, and when they've lost their touch - have a Daytona win handed to them by the Frances, just to complete their portfolio before they die.Call me a jerk if you like, but I think his driving style sucked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Studemax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was NOT a fan of Earnhardt, Sr.I prefer racers who don't take out everybody just to win, and when they've lost their touch - have a Daytona win handed to them by the Frances, just to complete their portfolio before they die.Call me a jerk if you like, but I think his driving style sucked!</div></div> I totally agree. My dad loved him.....I did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> was NOT a fan of Earnhardt, Sr.I prefer racers who don't take out everybody just to win, and when they've lost their touch - have a Daytona win handed to them by the Frances, just to complete their portfolio before they die.Call me a jerk if you like, but I think his driving style sucked! </div></div>NOT AT ALL!!!I couldn't have said it any better myself. I like Mark Martin. He's a tough racer, but for the most part, he races people clean. When he makes a mistake he owns up to it. Mark may go down as being the best driver to never win a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Pat dont count Mark out. The season is far from over and if he gets the support he deserves he just might go out(retire) in a blase of glory. As for SR.,I wont disagree .If you got in his way he would move you, he was the intimadator when he was out front the *ss end of that car was 3 lanes whyd.Thats just raceing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dont count Mark out. The season is far from over and if he gets the support he deserves he just might go out(retire) in a blase of glory</div></div> Oh I'd love to see it happen. If Mark wins the title he'll be the oldest champion in the history of Nascar. It would probably be the most popular championship ever. Mark is a very respected driver, he a smart racer, many of the others are just lucky. .....If Mark wins the title, I doubt you'll see him smash the trophy. Back to an earlier post, Dale Jr. hasn't run well since he <span style="font-style: italic">'had his bell rung</span>.' I don't care who it is, but it seems like once a racer has had a head injury (a/k/a having their bell rung), they never seem to race the same as they did before the head injury. Prime examples of this would be Neil Bonnett, Ricky Craven, Ernie Irvan, Steve Park, etc. They did survive those accidents, they were able to race again, but their competetive edge was gone. Dale Jr. had his bell rung shortly after his dad died (and shortly after Steve Park) and he isn't the same as he was prior to the concussion. Call it fate, coincidence, whatever, but it seems to be a trend. I don't ever recall Dale Sr., Jeff Gordon, or Tony Stewart ever having their bell rung, but the ones who I recall, haven't done squat on the race track after their accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Your to kind Pat. I said weeks ago a new crew chief,car or what ever is not going to get him a title. I think the boy has lost his nerve. Dont get me wrong, I realy like Jr. he is a good clean driver and nascars most popular,but popularity wont win races. About 10 years ago I talked the boss into sponsoring our crew for a hundred lap endurance race at a local track. The only stipulation he made was all cars had to be the same color and we could not put the company name on them. We entered five. We scrounged up about five gals. of paint,all differant color and mixed it all togather. I cant give it a name,I guess you might call it baby *hit green. We didnt win anything,but had a ball. You could spot any one of those cars no mater where they where.God bless the good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: windjamer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> We scrounged up about five gals. of paint,all differant color and mixed it all togather. </div></div>"Petty Blue" was made the same way. They had a partial can of blue and a partial can of white and mixed them. The rest is racing history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally Posted By: windjamerWe scrounged up about five gals. of paint,all differant color and mixed it all togather. "Petty Blue" was made the same way. They had a partial can of blue and a partial can of white and mixed them. The rest is racing history. </div></div>That's true. Richard initialy turned down the contract with STP because Andy Granatelli told him that the car would be painted red, and Richard refused to give up his "Petty Blue." Andy even offered Richard more money to paint the car red, but Richard still wouldn't budge.Speaking of racing Heritage, this question goes to Matt Hinson...Wasn't Hoss Ellington's race shop based out of Wilmington?? One of the last cars that David Pearson ever ran was the Chatanooga Chew Chevy Monte Carlo (around 1985) that was owned by Hoss Ellington. I've seen several pictures where the car is shown opposite of the USS North Carolina on the side where you can see downtown Wilmington in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Pat,Yes, Hoss Ellington's race shop was here in Wilmington. We held our chapter car shows downtown, across the river from the Battleship, until we sort of outgrew the space. We are hosting the 2009 NC Region Fall Meet in Wilmington on the Battleship Grounds. Come on down...I could even do some research or work on remembering where His shop was and see if I can't arrange the grand tour for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are hosting the 2009 NC Region Fall Meet in Wilmington on the Battleship Grounds. Come on down...</div></div>I'd love to Matt, but with all the irons that I have in the fire, it can't be done.In our department, our vacation gets awarded by our date of hire. I get my vacation awarded September 6th, and what I get alloted, will have to last me until September 6, 2010. Out of that time, here is where my vacation is already spoken for.<span style="font-weight: bold">September 17-18, 2009 </span>- AGNM - Topeka, Kansas (we're taking a vehicle to be judged).<span style="font-weight: bold">October 6-11, 2009 </span>- Hershey (we're taking a vehicle to be judged) .<span style="font-weight: bold">February 11-13, 2010 </span>- Annual Meeting in Philly.<span style="font-weight: bold">May 13-15, 2010 </span>- AGNM - New Bern, NC (we're taking a vehicle to be judged).<span style="font-weight: bold">June 3-5, 2010 </span>- Easter Division Spring Meet - Canandaigua, NY. (I'm chairing that one, and we'll have a minimum of 7 of our own vehicles in the show). After the AGNM I have 3 weeks to make sure that everything is together and ready to go for everyone else.<span style="font-weight: bold">August 2010 </span>- Nascar Races at the Glen - working for the Schuyler County Sheriff's Office to make some spending money for Hershey.I'm also chairman of the board at the Fire Department, and I'm responsible for all of the Fire Apparatus, as well as trying to get a new fire station built. So I'm stuck with keeping everything running, dealing with architects, bids, grants, personnel, emergency calls, training, etc.With all those days being spent, the travel time hauling vehicles to and from, and with my vacation allotment, do the math. Being that I work most weekends due to being on a rotating schedule, and figuring out what my vacation time is, my vacation time is shot. If I get sick, get hurt, or if I have a family emergency where I end up missing work, I will be S.O.L. As it is, this year I will be working Christmas Day for the first time in 18 years just so I can have the time to go to the meets. I'd like to be able to go to Louisville, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to fit that in.My aunt and uncle lived in Wilmington for 21 years, it's a beautifull place, but unfortunately I can't make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Golly, someone forgot to tell the #5 he is to old to win races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Golly, someone forgot to tell the #5 he is to old to win races</div></div> Yeah Dick, he definately breaks the stereotype of older people driving slow. I'd rather see Mark Martin accept his championship with Kellogg's at the head table instead of Viagra. It looks like Kellogg's has given Mark more energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: windjamer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Golly, someone forgot to tell the #5 he is to old to win races. </div></div>Apparently they forgot to tell people to attend the race as well. I've never seen emptier stands at a major NASCAR race. Attendance yesterday was estimated at 80-90,000 in a track that normally seats 132,000 for that race. At best that's a 70% drop in attendance at that race.Of course Michigan is in dire financial straits right now, but still it was an ominous and disturbing sign. Reports of huge lags in sales for the Brickyard 400 @ Indy is even more so. ( NASCAR's Frances Touches on Automakers, Attendance USA Today 6/15/09 )On the positive front there is serious talk of turning the Nationwide Series into a pony car competition as part of the 2010 transition. That'll be interesting! ( Pony Cars Coming to NASCAR Fos Sports 6/14/09 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave@Moon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> On the positive front there is serious talk of turning the Nationwide Series into a pony car competition as part of the 2010 transition. That'll be interesting! ( Pony Cars Coming to NASCAR Fos Sports 6/14/09 )</div></div>For many of us NASCAR fans the most positive change would be to get the Cup guys OUT of the Nationwide Series and let the Nationwide drivers get the spots, the sponsors and the payouts. It is not fair or right for the Cup guys that run in both to be so hogish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest windjamer Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Pat, its no secret I would love to see Mark go all the way. I know its a long shot,but stranger things have happened. Dave with the econamy in the tolit as it is nascar needs to lower the price of tickets to fill the stands. GM has said it will cut a large part of funding,looks like we may have to hold a cruse in to suport our drivers.Susan how did you get so smart so soon?? Cup drivers in nationwide is the most unfair thing in the sport. They should not be allowed to drive in both.I dont think they are gready,it just gives them extra track time to practice and difnatley takes away from the younger driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shop Rat Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: windjamer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Susan how did you get so smart so soon?? Cup drivers in nationwide is the most unfair thing in the sport. They should not be allowed to drive in both.I dont think they are gready,it just gives them extra track time to practice and difnatley takes away from the younger driver. </div></div>I just have a very fine tuned sense of what is fair and unfair. I can't think of any sport that lets higher level competitors horn in on the "beginner" level folks once they moved up, unless it is a special event like a pro-am or charity event. And you are correct it is a way to get more track time now that NASCAR has limited testing sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For many of us NASCAR fans the most positive change would be to get the Cup guys OUT of the Nationwide Series and let the Nationwide drivers get the spots, the sponsors and the payouts. It is not fair or right for the Cup guys that run in both to be so hogish.</div></div> Yeah that's true, but I also remember in the past where a Busch (now Nationwide) driver would run a race or two where Dave Marcis would have to go home because of them. In Dave's case, he needed to run the races to keep his team afloat.The irony is that every time you get a race at Watkins Glen, guys like Boris Said, Tommy Kendall and Ron Fellows (professional road course racers) will come in and run the cup races and the cup guys whine about how "those guys are taking our spots," I know there has been more than one occassion where had he had a better car and/or better pit stops, Ron Fellows would've won the race at the Glen. I know back in 2004 Ron started dead last in a DEI car and finished second. Yes Tony Stewart won the race that year, but that might not have happened had Ron Fellows started in a better position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 ex98thdrill,I thought you might enjoy this...Former NASCAR driver, owner's careers have taken him from Daytona to Landfall | StarNewsOnline.com | Star News | Wilmington, NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Matt, I just read it. Thanks for the story. GOOD STUFF!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Thanks for the info, Mark Martin is doing well? I just may turn on the NASCAR race today.........is there one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Thanks for the info, Mark Martin is doing well? I just may turn on the NASCAR race today.........is there one?Nope the boys are off this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Nope the boys are off this weekend.Really? Were does the motorhome parade go on an off week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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