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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

    in General Discussion

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    The engine was announced in September of 1914. There is a 1915 car in Michigan with the identical systems. I have not seen any 16 Valve Four that has dual plugs that wasn’t called a 1915. The National Data Book for 1917 doesn’t show the dual plug ignition system or the twin dual two spark battery/mag combo. My 1917 car doesn’t have the casting date in the same location. It has a very late casting date in 1916. White offered cars with a 45 horse power four, a 60 horsepower six, and the 72/82 horsepower 16 Valve four ALL AT THE SAME TIME. The second car has a different steering column and wheel as well. When I get a chance to study it, I’m certain we will find a bunch of other differences. 
     

    How to pre-lube a V12 before start up?

    in Lincoln & Zephyr

    Posted

    Lots of engine blocks have oil gallery plugs on the side or on the end where you can tap into them. I have a fancy store-bought one now also. Are used to use an old Freon can set up with an air nozzle. It worked great. It’s definitely a good idea to use. Also crank the engine over slowly while you’re doing it. I would push at least three or 4 quarts through it. If there’s no oil in the engine you can install all the oil to the pressure pot while turning it by hand. Everything should be fine work out well. Ed.

    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    53 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

    Ed:

    A 1915 with Rubay body, the plot thickens!    But is the all-weather top by Rubay as well?  

    Steve


     

    I believe I have the “California top“ worked out. There was a special coach building company that did them for Stearns, White, Peerless, and a bunch of other brands in downtown Cleveland. Research is almost done.....and I think I can prove who built it and when, using of the era articles and information. The sliding beveled glass windows sure are slick......l.l.lEd.

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by edinmass (see edit history)

    42 minutes ago, oldcarfudd said:

    Looking forward to welcoming it on HCCA tours!

     

    It's going to be interesting.............the casting date/dash/fuel & ignition all say 1915. Body construction is also an earlier style and manufacturing process. The chassis is shorter, and the body is 10 inches narrower in the rear. ( Compared to the 1917 car.) The hood, and hold downs are a different type and style. Battery is under the floor boards, not in a splash apron box like the 17's. Smaller wheels.....by 2 inches. Even some minor casting differences on the block, and oiling system. I need more time with it......but I'm off to Hershey.....so it will have to wait till the middle of the month.

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    Posted · Edited by edinmass (see edit history)

    So unlike my first White, this car does not use a vacuum tank. I noticed in the photos when I bought it it was missing. So I already bought one to have so when the car showed up I could run it on the vacuum tank as it was designed. (The car never had one.)  This car is either a 1915 or 1916. It uses a pressurized fuel tank system. The engine casting date is May 1915. The entire dashboard, controls, lights, cowl vents, cowl lights all indicate a 1915 or 1916 date. Body is by Rubay, but does not have the custom tags or sills like the 1917 first car I bought. I have literature showing a September 1914 as the first in service 16 Valve Four announcement. A single example 1915 in Michigan has the same dash, controls, and same fuel and dual plug ignition. So, we need some more information, but it’s certainly not a 1917. Yellowstone received 300 16 Dual Valve cars in May and June 1916. With the clear casting date on the block, I am going to call it a 1915. Ed

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    Trailer Clearance Question

    in Garages, Trailers, and Towing

    Posted · Edited by edinmass (see edit history)

    I think six inches is way more than necessary. That said, cars move much more than most people realize. Three inches and I would feel comfortable. Getting a flat tire in a trailer is much more common than most people realize. It’s usually a disaster as no matter how tight the car is tied down, it will move sideways four to eight inches.......with the resulting disaster. Trailering is always dangerous.....to you and the car. Fact is, hauling a big classic with a 3500 series dually is marginal at best. Your equipment is NEVER heavy enough. Last week, I hauled a Duesenberg in a decent new trailer. The 2021 F250 HD Disel was very impressive. The ten speed transmission was FANTASTIC! I’m so impressed that I think I will switch back to Ford tow vehicles when I make my next purchase. Fuel mileage was twenty percent better than my GMC. 

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    Rolls-Royce Phantom Jonckheere Coupe

    in CCCA - General

    Posted · Edited by edinmass (see edit history)

    Modifying cars of unusual design is common. “Cleaning them up” to make them less circus wagon, and more sophisticated is a common ploy......to make them MORE valuable by removing excess design details that simply don’t fit then.......or now. The list of modified “great cars” is almost endless, and MUCH more common than thought.

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by edinmass (see edit history)

    8 hours ago, Cured said:

    One should jam a car into gear at the lowest rpm possible. 


    Sadly, the bottom ten guys who graduated from tractor mechanic school, out of the class of 500, were working on this car. It’s rather safe to say, they weren’t the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. There was no way to shift the car properly. Things have been so screwed up on this car, it’s impossible to shift correctly. Fortunately, Phil and I are now experts at all things White. Phil is the world’s leading expert on White clutch adjustment. He has found a bunch of issues related to the clutch..........and some automotive archeology indicates that while we expect we will have it all fixed soon, we will probably pull the transmission and friction disk AFTER we have it shifting correctly. Neither of us like what we see in regards to the transmission. We rather pull it and inspect EVERYTHING.......after we have it shifting correctly. If you want to be successful at sorting difficult cars, you can’t guess, you can’t take a chance, you need to inspect and verify EVERYTHING. Yes it takes time,  yes it’s a lot of work, In the long run it’s the right thing to do. I absolutely detest any car that doesn’t behave well or is not reliable. So we will R & R The transmission and clutch regardless of how well we get it repaired. 50 years of experience tells me to take it apart. And, only half the problem is in the transmission. The other half is the incorrect carburetor that isn’t correctly calibrated, and has a vacuum leak covered up with JB Weld. You haven’t graduated from the half ass tractor mechanic school of repair, without using JB Weld on a job. The car is idling way too fast, so it won’t engage properly.

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