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  1. The Ascott would have been Steve Antine's car, in the family from New as I remember. It was the first Springfield P1 I ever drove. It recently was sold by RM. That would have been a VMCCA meet, possibly at the Quabbin  Reservoir. I'm sure the Fred Roe photo collection would have more photos and photos of the individual cars.

  2. 1935- I should have also said that I have installed five sets of the EXACT same tire, including size in the last 24 months. We have not had any issues. If the tire is still under warranty and you can exchange it, I would. You could also,swap it out with the spare, if your spare is the same size.  


    As as far as driving on it, I would use the car as normal, checking on it every time you get in and out of the car. Let's face it, with all the down side of a issue/flat on the side of the road, potential car damage, exposure to traffic while changing the tire, and the distraction of the tire issue, the best choice is to replace it. With only five hundred miles on it, it's probably going to continue to get worse. 


    I put a new new set of tires on our 851 Auburn a few months ago, have NOT even driven the car, and had the same thing happen. It was a different brand of tire.

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  3. It appears to be a tube type tire, if so, it's a bonding issue with the white wall portion of the tire. I would suspect that it is only cosmetic. If the tire is tubeless, it would be a ply separation and structural failure. Keep an eye on it, do not drive at high or sustained speeds until you see if it gets worse. Sudden tire failure(blow out) can ruin the fender and runningboard. Don't ask how I know.......

  4. I first started doing business with them back in the late 1980's. They were very easy to deal with, did a bunch of custom made items working over the phone and fax machine. I paid for the dies of my product,  they manufactured the rubber. I sold all my supply within two years, and called back to order more. He said on custom orders they don't keep the dies......which was interesting. I had kept an eye on their catalog and he never made or sold the products that I footed the bill for, which is what we agreed to. They were people who kept their word, and produced a nice product. They were no longer intrested in the custom work, for what ever reason, and while  I tried to get them to make me more product, they declined. I think the issue was more of a lack of equipment, maybe the old equipment broke down and they didn't replace it, as I could never get a direct answer. Their main business was making rubber products for the hand held fishing rod industry. Craig had a 1932 Pierce series 54 Coupe, one of five, like my own. It was all original, and around 2010 I called and asked for photos toe use as a reference. By this time, it was already getting hard to speak to Craig directly, and I was always handed off to someone else who I thought and was told was his son. I have no idea if this was accurate or not. Who ever it was, they weren't intrested in helping me out, such is life. I got the feeling who ever I was talking to wanted the cars and didn't even want to acknowledge they owned them. He also had another interesting and rare car, which I called up and inquired to purchase, but I was politely declined about even discussing the car. Recently over the last two years, ordering products was difficult and there was clearly health issues of some type. We couldn't get things shipped, and then all of a sudden we would get two duplicate orders. The last order arrived and didn't have an invoice with it. We called a dozen times and couldn't get an answer for how much we owed. That was the last time we were in contact with them about four or five months ago. Ed

  5. Herm, what in your opinion is the highest compression ratio you can run on a long stroke pre war car without ANY concern with babbit issues. Is 7.5 to 1 safe? Enclosed is a photo of a popular tool the English use on their WO Bentley and Bugatti builds. This process is done cold, they take a rough cut, and put the roller burnishing tool in it to "pre crush" or compress the babbit before they take their finish cut. They are bumping up the compression and spinning these long stroke motors very fast. The feet per second pistion speed and valve float start to become problems. You shop set up looks very nice, and the work sure looks first rate. Interesting two stroke motor, a local collector has a 1910 Atlas 60 horse power two stroke car. It's quite a handful to drive, but is a very interesting power plant. Do you have an opinion on reusing old babbit? I know some shops do, but I'm not entirely convinced it's a good idea.





  6. Herm, any comments on burnishing the rods? In our shop we do mostly high end big CCCA cars, and unlike most people we drive our cars. I used babbit on my 36 Pierce twelve twenty five thousand miles ago. We run at modern highway speeds, and with the stock gears and factory overdrive we have never had a problem. We also use babbit in the high rpm engines of Stutz, WO Bentley, Duesenberg, etc. In the U.K. Someone is marketing a "high pressure" or "high compression" rated babbit. Are you familiar with it? I agree 99.9 percent of ALL antique automobile problems are quaility of workmanship issues. I'm my past 40 years of building pre war engines, I have only found two type of babbit shops............ones who do great work, and all the others that seem to be uninspired and have the it's good enough for an old car mentality. The last set of rods I had done were returned to me, I inspected them, and them sent them out to someone who's workmanship I trust. I had been told the guy I sent them to first did decent work..........WRONG! Fact is that the good shops today are very busy, and the ones who can get to the job right away always seem to have quaility issues. I was in a hurry, and it cost me two months and 1500 dollars in wasted money. I knew better, but was in a hurry, and I got poor results. Seems when it comes to babbit I have to relearn this lesson every 12 to 15 years......"..Ed

  7. The big problem with the cars using vacuum tanks is the float, needle, and seat are meant to hold back very little pressure, just the volume in the tank with about six inches of head, thus one pound of fuel pressure will often push past the carb and overflow. There is a reason there is a pipe that goes from the center of the two cylinder banks and dumps on the ground........they leaked like a sive when new. Even the 16's had a factory directed modifacation that included a new lower air flange with a pipe to direct the leaking gas. Recently the bright red 16 Sport Pheaton that is well know from the show circuit burned under the hood. While overall the car is ok, the fire extinguisher made such a mess of the entire car and the hood was scorched so bad the car will need in my opinion an entire repaint and upholstery. At least there wasn't any major structural damage. I'm not sure what the car was using for a fuel system setup, but weather stock or modified the 20's and early 30's Caddies like to burn. Park them in your attached garage and the house smells like fuel for a week. 

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  8. It was a strange situation the way the car was advertised, and there certainly was no clear price, and with two people to deal with on the phone it made the entire thing kind of twisted. I think the only reason he sold it to us was the distance we traveled to get there and he felt kind of guilty to send us away. Back in the 80's there was a custom bodied Packard advertised on a Sunday morning in the Hartford paper with a centeral  Massachusetts address, a complete barn find with a stated good condition for twenty cents on the dollar. The ad stated cash only and must be paid for and picked up by 12 noon. I had the money, loaded up my new truck and borrowed a open trailer, and headed off as fast as I could. The car was in a brand new subdivision shaped like a giant U and as I was approaching from one side, I saw a brand new Mercedes approaching from the other. The car was parked outside, and from 300 yards I could see it was terrific and worth ten times the asking price. I punched the 454 to the floor, as did the Mercedes, and the race was on. We arrived ALMOST at the same time, me being just a bit slower than the competitor due to the trailer. Out jumps a well known Boston car collector and dealer Tom Mix, dressed in a suit and tie, with a big smile on his face. (Tom was the dealer who Jay Leno worked for while he was trying to get into show business and still living with his parents, and that's how Jay got intrested in early cars, working on Tom's collection.) Tom was a good friend from the CCCA and a true gentleman, as I approached and stuck out my hand to shake his I could see he was uncomfortable. He said hello and with just a look shard between two car guys, we were able to communicate our positions in a fraction of a second. I stepped back five steps and he stepped forward and shook hands with the seller. It was all over in just a split second. I offered Tom to haul the car back to his place for him, and he politely declined............I was glad he told me he wouldn't flip it, but he was going to do a total restoration on it.(It was way too nice by today's standards and would never be touched now.) Each time I would see him for years I would always ask how "My" Packard was,  and true to his word he restored it and kept it till he died. I still see it in magazines to this day.......the BIG fish that got away.  I'm quite sure that is the closest I will ever be to owning my own custom Packard eight. I ended up buying the open trailer from my friend, and I still have it thirty one years later.  We did a restoration on it three years ago, and it still looks new. Every time I hook up to the trailer I smile and think about that day. I have hauled that thing so many miles I consider it part of my  permanent  collection. I'm pretty sure whenever I end up selling off all my cars due to advanced age, the trailer will stay until my heires dispose of it.


    Dave, I know there's no hard feelings, and we should take it for a spin at Hershey if we get it sorted. To be honest, were putting so much time it to make it a driver it doesn't make much sense. The entire engine and all the accessories will be gone through, rings, valves, oil pump, ext.........lots of work. But nobody ever said that pre war car guys are very bright! 

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  9. 15 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said:

    I wonder what it must be like having a vehicle up for sale that people fight over? Bob 


    Try selling at an auction, only trick is to have a car that will draw multiple bidders. Common cars and the very unusual often don't do well. Good cars usually have buyers in line or on a list of "give me a call when you decide to sell" after all these years in the hobby, one learns there are only two ways to sell an antique car. The two ways are price(value) or owning exceptionally rare or unique car that will have many people,in line to purchase it.

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  10. We always play fair, in this instance I honestly didn't think Dave would chase it, but I was sure friends from the mid west and Atlanta area would be all over it. I thought the ad was posted on Saturday morning, until Dave said he saw it Friday night. Since I didn't talk directly to either the seller, or his representative I wasn't aware of who was intrested till about a week after we got the car home. Neither Dave, or I would ruin a friendship over a car, reguardless of what it may be. I won't even know if the entire situation works out till we figure out how many man hours we have in it, along with transportation, parts, etc. It is a fun car on paper so far, but when the numbers add up, it may be an exercise in futility. It's the adventure most of us crave, the chase of landing the car, finding the missing pieces, and making it run and drive again. Adding another Pierce in the scrap book to look over when I'm too old to drive or enjoy them is all part of the old car hobby for me. With another one waiting to get into the shop after Hershey, the game seems to continue without end. Dave has owned many more cars than I have over the years, but if you add in motorcycles, boats, and other assorted wheeled toys, we are probably both in the same area as number go. The best reward is seeing another piece of American history run down the road. 

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  11. Since I didn't make the actual deal I only have second hand info, but essentially we got lucky. My partner called and spoke to whom I believe to be the same person Dave was talking to. I think the difference was the mileage we were going to cover with no guarantee as to a positive result. (You can be sure we explained this to him, our risk we were taking, and our track record of not only saving cars, but making them run and active in the hobby, is what secured our spot first.) That got the phone number of "the river house" and a direct contact to who had actual control over the car and the price. Our truck rolled up at the same time the owner arrived back home from his vacation house on Sunday afternoon, twelve hours ahead of everyone else who called and was told that it could be seen Monday morning first thing. So it was pure luck and random chance when we arrived that got us first in line. Don't feel too bad for Dave, he made a better score of a much more interesting Pierce earlier this year, and I would have preferred his acquisition ten times over our current one. Besides, I probably saved him from a long drawen  out divorce if he bought another project car! ? 


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  12. 17 hours ago, alsancle said:

    Is this going to be sitting in the Pierce Arrow tent in 2 weeks?


    At the Pierce tent on display in the Red field RCH 38-40, or in the car corral depending of what happens with another car we have for sale. Can't keep them all! Both John and I are at about maximum for our personal car collections, and I didn't post a photo of our latest acquisition, that just arrived from Ohio, but that's a twelve........and another story for another day.?

  13. 12 minutes ago, Dynaflash8 said:

    What little town?  Dumfries, Quantico, King George, Lorton?  Gotta know....I'm a native of the area. :)


    It was West-Northwest of Richmond. I can't remember the town, gps does that nowadays. It was close to the town of Orange. 

    We replaced the early pot metal oil pump yesterday with a good used cast iron unit. It's a shame the car has such poor storage. While it didn't really ruin anything it turned most of the surface area on the car a haze of light rust. This is the first of about thirty Pierce Arrows that have passed through our hands that didn't have a chassis and engine covered in packed on grease and dirt. Usually the entire undercarriage of these cars are so oily and greasy you spend a month scraping it off. We are overloaded with work and on top of everything else, we decided to get this thing done for Hershey.............

  14. I found the car while using wifi on a Jetblue flight one morning. I was able to use wifi to get ahold of my partner in crime.........aka Pierce Arrow side kick John Cislak and got him headed out for the car by text message while I was still in the air! Sometimes technology can be helpful. I know for certain several Pierce club members were also working on purchasing the car, and several had made arrangements to come see it right away. Long story short, although we were seven hundred miles away, we got there first. It was more luck than anything else. If we waited even a few hours before we loaded the truck and trailer and headed off on the ride, we would have lost out. It was a two day drive gamble of time, tolls, and fuel. We made out this time, but Dave and other Pierce friends often beat us to cars and parts. Sometimes it just your turn. Dave got lucky earlier this year with an engine I would have liked to end up with. Maybe I should have traded him the 29 Coupe for the engine...........?


  15. 9 hours ago, auburnseeker said:

    Cool find. 

    I seem to only find the boring common stuff and they seem to want Pierce Arrow Prices when they are selling their non running DOA barn finds. 

    I only need one good find. 

    A 31-33 Auburn Convertible sedan will do! ;)


    I know where there was a 33 Salon twelve that needed EVERYTHING and had a firetruck motor in it. That was about twenty years ago, but I bet it's still there. I could ask as I usually see the guy at Hershey. It won't be anything you can steal, but if intrested at market price you may have a chance.

  16. Motor has been checked out, all looks good, valve job this afternoon. Pan was clean, nothing to cause concern. Thankfully no mice made their way into the engine. The car showed 53k on the clock and it has the original exhaust on it. Yes, the factory exhaust is still on the car and looks fine. We have some used tires to keep in turn with the barn find look. It's a rear mounted spare car, and the spare was removed in the old days when the Springfield Rolls Royce Phantom 1 bumper was installed. At that time they placed a 1934/1935 trunk rack on it. Made it look more modern. We have all the correct rear spare stuff in hand-no small feat to locate in less than a week. The car came from the factory with a leather roof that was removed in the past. Rear window operates fine, all the wipers and controls are with the car. Windshield frame is very nice and front glass is good. It will need two new door glass installed. Inspection sticker says 1971-1974. We were told it was last run in 71. Front end is tight, steering box is good. Will do a total fluid change. Carb has been done, as well as the water pump. Radiator has been cleaned and seems fine. The car was purchased by the second owner in 1954, so we are the third owners.  63 years in one persons hands........not often seen! 



  17. Hi All, I gave received a bunch of requests for more info on this car. It's nice to see so much interest in the pre war barn finds. It will be in the Red Field at the Pierce Arrow Society & Foundation Tent. It MIGHT end up in the car corral, depending on weather or not we sell two other cars we currently have. We have made to commitment to get it there, and running and driving if at all possible. We managed to locate all the missing pieces for the car, so it should hit the field complete. This car is solid as can be, just lots of patina. Having just sold my 32 Pierce coupe, I would like to make this car a keeper, but right now I just don't have the time or room to keep all my cars. Enjoy the photos. We should have taken more before we started working on it.  I invite ALL the forum members to stop by my two spaces RCH 38 & 39 near the old stadium to say Hi and take a look at the cars and a bunch of stuff for sale. Bathrooms- clean bathrooms are less than a minute away, so we make a good rest stop. Ed






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  18. Just a few photos of some of the cars I saw at Concours of the UK, held at Henry the Eighth's Hampton Court Palace in London. Great location, and a wonderful bunch of cars. Local car clubs are able to park close by, making the car display number in the 400-500 car count. I didn't take photos of every car, but here is an assortment of what was on the field. 














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