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The list is by serial number.......not engine number, broken down to each month. No engines, or truck size, just numbers. When I gets south, I will post it.
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2 hours ago, alsancle said:
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Here is the open car……looks substantially different today…….less junk on it, better colors.
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White #2 update:
We got the broken clutch fork fixed and welded correctly. Came out perfect. It pays to use a very talented welder. The clutch linkage is all back in place, as original, installed correctly.......which it was NOT. Dropped the flywheel cover........found ground up clutch.....big time. Typical tractor mechanic hacks.......they couldn’t figure out the White clutch......which is not easy. Anyway, Phil has it driving and shifting correctly......but it’s gonna need a reline of the dual disk clutch. I’m sure when we get it apart we will find more tractor mechanic hacks along the way. Right now, we plan on continuing to sort and figure the car out. The clutch can come out in about three hours. The hardest thing doing the clutch job is packing the friction disks......and hoping they don’t get lost in shipping to Fort Wayne Clutch........my go to guys for all clutch jobs. Phil is making a wish list, to do list, and a few other observations. This car since it’s running will be done differently than the last car. We will break it down into smaller weekend projects.
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Another note if anyone is interested......I have White truck production numbers detailed down to the month from about 1910 to 1920, unfortunately it doesn’t cover any cars.
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Good chance they are fire truck dual plug 8’s. Try the fire truck guys ............
Post a photo please.
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Half the beaded edges of the cars at Pebble are 95 percent filler........
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49 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:
Ed:
True, Any Stutz is cool, that's why there are "Stutz Nutz"!
Someone, please find the DV-32 Continental Coupe by Waterhouse...even if you have to make it out of thin air!
Steve
How about it’s Irish twin......the Waterhouse Convertible Victoria? 😏
I must confess, I was driving it last week! 😎
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Steve:
Any Stutz is cool!
That said, it’s the DV-32 cars that entertain me. Properly built and tweaked they run great.........seems the DV in our garage has pop up pistons, hot cams, and tricked out carb and ignition. How to describe it? SCARY FAST! I tend not to drive it much.......it’s too fun to spin it up to 3500 rpm.........pulls hard and is a joy to drive. Only down side to them.......the very interesting ones are seven figures plus.........not for poor car mechanics!
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No worries Dave......by the time you finish, you will have established the skill set! 👍👍👍😏
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Phil has given me an update, the brakes on White number two are smaller and partially different than the 1917 car. He’s going to check the transmission to see if it is in fact an overdrive, or a four speed with direct being fourth gear. Time will tell.......
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14 minutes ago, Dandy Dave said:
I looked though my archives. Wiring diagram Books for Remy and Delco. None for Bosch. Hey we never know what will show up at Hershey though. Dandy Dave!
I have a bunch of really complete and detailed books, and they show nothing. Thanks, Ed.
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George........... short but quick and true story. The one of top collectors in the world recently asked me to get his son a “brass” Pierce arrow. He probably has 400 cars and one of the top five collections in the hemisphere. I asked him if it had to be a HCCA car......... he has 20 of them himself including some that are well over 100 hp. His exact response..........
” I don’t care, it really doesn’t matter much anymore, because most of the best tours are privately run and you can take anything you want on them.”
His words, not mine.
i’m not looking to rain on anyone’s parade, the CCCA keeps adding cars that aren’t that great and shouldn’t be on the list. The justification is the everybody should be included mentality. The membership continues to decline. It’s getting that way for all the organizations now. We had the era of the VMCCA, AACA, CCCA, and the single marque clubs....... with exception of the AACA(Probably will be the last man standing, and the long term center of the hobby.) , they are becoming much less relevant because of the concours car show world. The hobby shifts and evolves. Hell some people consider car auctions car shows! People pay all sorts of money to go to Mecum or Barrett because they find it entertaining along the lines of a casino. Not only will I not pay to go into one, I wont attend one if you paid me. One more thing our Internet car clubs, and they are also changing the face of the hobby. I think the date number from 1915 to 1916 is about to change in a different direction than most people realize. The Modoc tour, Mozart tour, Colorado Grand, and so many others now take any “cool” car that people want to participate with. Dates are falling out of favor.......the drivability of any particular car on modern roads is what really calls out value today. For years no one would buy a Crane Simplex or late series Winton......... try to buy one today, nobody is selling. Late Loco’s have found new fans......all driving them on the private tours..........I see it all the time because of the car world I work in. The era of “big nickel” is almost upon us.........fast, large, imposing, and relatively inexpensive and affordable. Buy them now, while you can.
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29 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:
There is a good chance the Delco dash switch will have a stamped in date code. That might help date the bodywork.
I will check when I get back south.......👍👍👍
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I forgot to mention........and it’s possible that it’s an important clue.........the casting date of May 8 1915 on the block is in a different place than any of the other White cars I have seen. Every car manufacturer I have ever seen over the years was always very consistent with where the date tag was placed when pouring the blocks.......can’t help but wonder why the one on my car is in such a strange location.......hell, it’s not even square to the block.........almost like it was done at the last second......or as an afterthought. Last night I was pondering that the chassis may be old leftovers hanging around the factory, the motor tossed in it as a somewhat test or engineering platform, is it a leftover 45hp body? The mechanical differences and early date codes matching the town car make it seem unlikely that it’s a leftover body on a later chassis. The more I think about it, the more I realize we are unlikely to get a clear answer........maybe we need a few more unknown cars from overseas or still hidden away in barns to add to the base of knowledge.
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5 minutes ago, yachtflame said:
So Ed, when you come by to help sort out my ‘30 LaSalle, I’ll finally open the bottle of Crown Royal that my boss, Roy Cohn gave me as a present in 1982. He was pleased that I got his yacht to NYC in time for a meeting on the Hudson with a then famous Mob Boss that he was representing. I put the bottle in a trunk and forgot about it till a year or so ago. I’m not a Whiskey drinker though Barbara is, so it’s been in hiding for a long time!
We’ll see who gets to it first! 😱
It’s tomorrow afternoon or nothing.....call me around nine. Time is very short. And I still need time with mother and sister. Ed
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Thanks Gil.......I’m comfortable that it isn’t a 17. And a 16 doesn’t make much sense. The casting date is BIG, and up front and easy to see as soon as you open the passenger side hood. I think the other dual plug car that’s been in the club fifty years also helps cement in the date........but as we all know, never say never. I’ll put together a file showing all the different cars, and possible heritage pointing to the year of 15. Since the club uses casting dates as an acceptable drop dead number on Fords, it’s gonna be logical to let this fly right through......assuming anyone really asks for data. To be honest, the look of my 17 is so unusual, I doubt too many would complain about that one either......as long as I’m not speeding around and ruffling feathers.
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12 minutes ago, George K said:
Your wheelbase is 132-1/2 or?
No clue.....yet. Haven’t had a chance to measure it. I literally only spent fifteen minutes looking over the car in person. I will try and get Phil to measure it, but his wife is not well and he is busy taking care of her this week. We haven’t even pulled up the seat cushions, and looked in the under seat storage areas that we were told had factory tools and such.
To be honest....the car is so strange that the wheelbase may not actually much help in making an ID, but it’s worth a try. It’s way too big for a 30hp chassis. Maybe it’s a 3/4 ton truck frame.........we will pull the rear wheel bearings ASAP to see what the bearings are marked as, it seems to be a different/earlier rear end......by Phil’s eye.
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Here are some shots of the second White........older style dash, five spoke wheel(1916-1917 cars only appear to have a four spoke wheel), different Delco ignition and battery configuration, pressurized fuel tank, brass cowl vent hardware, dual spark plug head, ect......everything points to a earlier style dash, gauges, switches, ect........ the more you study the car, the more it looks like a 1915 or earlier type. Take your time and compare the photos......and remember the 1916 4-45 GED is almost identical to the untrained eye to the 1917 car.
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Here are two photos of a 1916 White 4-45 GED touring car. It’s a very similar dash to my 1917. Same steering wheel headlight and ignition switch, speedo, amp guage, circuit breaker, ect........all almost IDENTICAL to my big 1917. The new hard top White is totally different and earlier in style than the 16 45 or the 17 16 valve. Lending credence that the hard top is more 14-15 than 16-17. One small step forward, three backward.
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By the time the Model M came along, Stutz was just about out of the major market........The SV and DV were great cars as well, but in very small numbers, many or most with outdated coachwork. Don’t get me wrong....I’m a HUGE Stutz fan and I would kill for a DV-32. That said.....the worm drive was outdated and old fashioned. They attempted to adapt, but no money was available. Most cars, 1932 was a leap in chassis and engine performance.......except Stutz, who’s steering box and chassis were unchanged from 1929 but still being used in 1933.
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Less is more. Year appropriate colors make the car have better eyeball. There is a lot of Stude info out there, including factory photos. Take your time and research it. Too much bling and bolt on do dads make the car look busy..........
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10 hours ago, George K said:
One more darn 1915 list. White 45 132-1/2. And it does list a 6-60 so my statement was wrong as they did offer 6-60 in 1915. Still none 1916.
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Maybe no 6-60’s listed in 1916........but there is a claim to be one Firetruck and one car, which I don’t have photos of yet.
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oil - or the lack of it - for fan pulley & hub - 1937 President engine
in Studebaker, Erskine & Rockne
Posted · Edited by edinmass (see edit history)
The good news.......we make new CNC hubs, with sealed bearings to eliminate the factory oil pump and slinger set up.......it will continuously toss oil on the engine and all under the hood......been there, done that. I have seen dry hubs stall engines.........and eat radiators. The fill plug is placed at 9 or 3 o’clock and you fill the hub to half way, and watch it leak everywhere. I did my first redesign of that thing in the 80s. We probably have sold 300 of them over the years........That design was used 1929 to 1938........John and I are off to Hershey........till Friday. Ed.