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16 hours ago, alsancle said:
Brunn Lincoln.
16 hours ago, alsancle said:Brunn Lincoln.
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This car was last seen in Michigan getting some wood repair. It’s the double entery saloon, one door, that opens from both ends, done in Brewster Green. I saw restoration photos of it by the current owner, who may or may not still be with us, around 1995. Had a great talk with him about the car.
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17 hours ago, Joe in Canada said:
I know of a 1930 Cadillac V16 roadster sitting in a boat house up here that is a basket case. The body was restored and painted about 30 years ago in California where the car came from. I remember he had the chrome plating and engine done and then stored away. I know the owner very well and I believe he will never get back at it.
With real correct V-16 roadsters bringing seven figures to mid 1.5’s it will get finished some day. Maybe some encouragement to hike to just pass it on would be a good idea, while the market for them is strong. I’m not a quifiled buyer.........there are plenty of them chasing those cars.
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AJ’s 1931 Rep Royal Full Custom Dietrich was a bright red tomato with gold fenders..........and it was the New York Auto Show car. I agree with Walt G. that 99.5 percent of the cars colors were very conservative. My favorite over the top example is the P1 Springfield Rolls Royce, with a Murphy Disappearing Top Roadster body, done in chrome yellow (Packard Chrome Yellow factory offering) with a raspberry interior.
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Reguardless of how expensive a correct radiator core is, it’s much cheaper and lots more fun to have a car that runs, drives, and doesn’t tear itself apart because of the cost of a radiator. I like to drive cars ten times more than look at them. We just did a new radiator on a Springfield Phantom 1 that was the original, car was running cool, had no leaks, but tested bad at the shop in flow and heat transfer. Why risk a high dollar engine? I bet most pre war cars out on the road today have radiators that are only fifty percent function left from the factory, but it’s also probably enough cooling not to cause a problem.
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1 hour ago, mercer09 said:
I had my hands on this car seven days ago.....
Is that the one in Hemmings now for 250k?
Not sure of the price, I was in a shop in St. Louis last Saturday and it was getting serviced. Stuck my nose in where it didn’t belong....
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It’s not Cadillac or Pierce. It appears to be a 1950’s Delco set up possibly used on Seagrave fire trucks. The post war trucks used smaller diameter distributors like this cap takes, and they were dual plug 12’s for a total of 24 plugs and two distributors. They are a handful to make work correctly. In the upper left of the photo you can see the dual drive set up and the bottom of the two distributors.
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After forty five years in the ho by, having owned more car than anyone should, the lesson learned is any car that’s a keeper should get a new radiator. The odds of a 85 year old radiator not having issues is small, possible but small. I practice what I preach. You can’t enjoy a car if it overheats or pushes water.
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David, I think your 70 is on the low to very low side. I have been told a offer of 90 was refused on a car, and I believe both the source, and the car in question bringing that money. No comment as to who or what.
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1 hour ago, alsancle said:
Derham bodied Pierce
I had my hands on this car seven days ago...........Past Kuhn and Warshowski collection.
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I don’t have it off the top of my head, and we researched it ten years ago, it’s gone for certain, but we spoke to locals who remembered the shop and the truck. They were quite surprised it survived. Someone used it as a parts car for two different restorations, but fortunately we had plenty of parts to put it all back together.
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Running rough at 35 mph has nothing to do with a chassis or driveline vibration. We need a better description of you issue. Get it up to speed in a safe area, shut off the engine and push in the clutch at the problem speed, and start trying to figure it out from there. Tires and driveshaft will continue the same issue with the motor off and the clutch in. If it stops when you do this, then look at the engine.
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2 hours ago, Curti said:
Very well done, a good looking pickup !
I agree, well done. We have a 1930 Pierce Series A Limo cut down into a pick up that was done in Rochester Ny back in 1938. It was done by a body shop and towing company, and it’s got great lines, and were about twenty percent done with the restoration. We should be back on it full time in about a year. Unfortunately I don’t have any photos to post. It’s much more difficult to get the lines and look of the vehicle correct..........they really paid attention to detail and even had it lettered and striped when they finished it. Must have been the fanciest pick up in the state of New York.
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1 hour ago, keiser31 said:
Do you mean the one I posted photos of? If so, I cannot WAIT to see it.
It’s one of two, if I am not mistaken. I last saw it three or four years ago, all apart and under restoration. (Unless it’s the other one.) It was sold to a new collector according to the grapevine, and I was told that car (the one I saw) will now be finished in the reasonable near future. From it’s condition, I expect to see it in the next twenty four to thirty six months. I can think of about twenty five collectors who would give their left arm to be the first to show it at one of the big concours.
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There is still a lot of cool weird stuff in India........not all of it is well done or tasteful, but some of it is unique.
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The missing 1934 Brunn Pierce Arrow coupe would be a great find, 148 inch wheel base two passenger car. I don’t have a photo handy.
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1 minute ago, jeff_a said:
Don't you mean the Marmon V-12 that changed hands recently at an auction for small money?
Yes......your right........not sure how I got that mixed up........getting old.......
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2 minutes ago, jeff_a said:
There were three Peerless cars from their foray into the "multi-cylinder race" besides the surviving V-16 in the Crawford Museum. One V-12 and two V-16s. Chances are good that they were scrapped and became aircraft components. But they aren't figments of the imagination: all four were driven to Burbank, Calif. for re-bodies by Murphy in 1931 from Ohio carrying bodies from the straight line. Supposedly a blind rear quarter sedan was nearly done when the BOD decided breweries were more profitable...
Since it's hard to tell what the illustrations are on the coachbuilt.com site are(unlabeled) I don't know what this Murphy design is......but might be what such a Peerless would have looked like:
The Peerless twelve has survived and I saw it quite a bit over the past four or five years, I believe it’s in a museum on the west coast now.
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22 hours ago, 1937hd45 said:
I did take 40 years to locate a Pre WWII race car I once rode in only to find out it can't be bought.
Bob
A P1 Ascot is a hell of a find.............at anytime. The race car can be bought.......it just takes a bigger checkbook to pry it out.........I would bet that there are less than twenty pre war American cars that can’t be bought at any price. Most people will let a car go if the offer is above market, most, not all.
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The Packard Twelve Speedster Pheaton which is the big brother to the Macaulay Speedster is alive and well, when I was looking at it this spring. I haven’t seen any photos of it on line, and I don’t have any of them myself. It’s a fantastic car, in a garage full of Incredible cars........AJ, do you have a photo?
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23 hours ago, alsancle said:
Tough when you get beat in a race by a 90 year old guy.
He he was in his early eighties at the time...........and I got my first sniff at it in my late 20’s.............In the end it all worked out for the best......I get to drive it but someone else is writing the check.......😂
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The missing Cadillac is alive and well, and I don’t want to spill the beans on its current situation or whereabouts, but you will be seeing it soon...........I can’t wait to see what it looks like..........I think it was a medium blue when new, but am not positive. It’s a FANTASTIC car.
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5 minutes ago, alsancle said:
One of the greatest lost classics is the franay bodied model J with the 3 wipers. I’ll find a picture when I’m off my phone.
another is the DuPont LeMans car which was photographed in a junkyard in the late 30s.
And then there was the “Duesenberg” I was running down back in the mid 90’s, and got beat out by Big Al.
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Problem is there are some that I can’t mention because we are still looking for them! Also, it’s common for cars to go underground down a deep hole, not to be seen again. Sadly, many great American cars are now no longer residing in the US. As the major cars prices start approaching the numbers of the great types of art, we will see more of them falling of the face of the earth for years at a time. And for the rates auction houses are now getting, there will be lots more private treaty sales that never see the light of day.
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There are two types of “missing” cars......ones that a few people know where they are, and are slowly working on being the first guy in the door when the time comes, and the true missing car that no one knows it’s current whereabouts. I found that missing 32 Pierce 12 LeBaron coupe after hunting for it for more than ten years, it truly was “lost to time” except for the owner and myself. Couldn’t make a deal on it, and the owner never called me back or left my info for his family...........it was a personality issue.......his or mine? I’m not sure. Here is one I worked on and off for more than twenty five years before I landed it. The 1932 New York Auto Show car, the “first” Pierce 12 Sport Pheaton......it was out of the public eye since 1951, some knew where it was, but no one had ever seen it except family members. I kept working the car.........and i landed it. Body number one. It’s the only true Pierce twelve pheaton in existence.
I could tell tell you what I am chasing now, but then I would have to kill you........🤫
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What are some of the great "missing" Classics, prewar American?
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Didn’t make it......too bad.