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  1. Ok, the streamliner had 115/180 horsepower according to MB. That was stock. The car had a faster rear end ratio......2.9 instead of 3.1 so not quite stock, but we will call it that. I wasn’t aware how short the wheelbase was, it surprised me. So for it’s size and weight we shal call it “fast”. Top speed without the blower was 99mph. 112 mph with the blower engaged. Seems the “find” was in a storage area at MB and the had the rear end and the frame, that’s about it. The rest was built from factory extras they had on hand, so the car is 15 percent original components at best..........so is it “a restored original” or a modern replica. My vote is a modern replica. Still a neat car, and the build was done in 14 months, quite an accomplishment.


    so the car probably cost 15 to 20 k. Ten times the cost of an 851 SC Auburn speedster. And five times the cost of a Pierce 12 Roadster. 

  2. Ok, here is a way that doesn’t risk any damage. Start the car and let it run for ONE HOUR. The slow heat transfer from the engine to the transmission will expand the disk and brake if free. If it doesn’t release after an hour, shut the car off, point it in a safe direction, and start it while in gear, and drive around in first with the clutch down, jumping on and off the throttle, it will brake free then. 

  3. By the way, if I found the frame of the MB, I would have tried to build it also, but having access to a bunch of factory leftovers and extras is a great advantage, unless there are any 500/540 chassis left, and if I am not mistaken the last one was just finished being restored. Does anyone actually know what was left of the original streamliner? And is ANY 540 with a “stock” factory body been run up to maximum speed? How about horsepower with and without the blower? Any real numbers available?


  4. 1932 stock automobile 24 hours AVERAGING 112 mph on a STOCK chassis. In 1933 the number was 117 mph. What’s the horse power on the 540 with no blower? And how long would it hold together at full throttle whiles it’s  engaged? The 540 is a much better chassis than anything Pierce ever put together. The 540 was designed to be a fantastic road car, which it was and is. I’m quite sure the 540 was probably three times the cost of the Pierce Arrow. The Pierce that ran on the salt flats was stock with fenders and windshield removed, and had modified carburetors. It’s an apples and oranges comparison, both were above average cars but from diffrent thoughts and designs. A 851 Auburn speedster would cost pennies on the dollar of the 540 and with just a little tweaking would do even better. That being said, the 540 and it’s coachwork was way ahead in design and craftsmanship over the Pierce or Auburn. Just my two cents.


    By the way, 112 mph on the MB would NOT have been stock, correct?




  5. I have seen the streamliner in person, it turned out nice. Too much Hollywood BS in the film, too many melodramatic plot complications. While interesting the car is not beautiful. The movie isn’t clear, they just had a frame and a few odds and ends? Hardly an authentic or heroic restoration. When I was looking at it, I thought I was looking at an intact factory special. Building it from a few scraps is fine, as long as it is presented as such. Fantastic craftsmanship, yes. Authenticity and accurate to the original, yes. It’s a new modern creation built from some very few floor sweepings, and a bunch of leftover parts. A terrific modern replica using old world craftsmanship. A fine and decent tribute car. Interesting that the factory didn’t have the people or skills to build the coachwork. Italy for the wood, and the Netherlands for the tin knocking, 185 mph is 115 MPH with a streamlined factory blower car in 1938 or 1939. It’s a slug! American factory specials almost ten years earlier would have eaten that thing for breakfast. Overall an interesting build with a few old parts with ALMOST NO historical merit. Great craftsmanship, and historical accuracy, of basically a modern car build. I wouldn’t put it on display in the museum without calling it a modern recreation or replica. 


    If they started with an entire correct original chassis from the streamliner with “numbers matching” components all around, I wouldn’t be as critical to my comments. They obviously know exactly what is and isn’t from the original car, why not just call it out and let it be what it is...........what ever “that” is. 


    One last comment everything MB built on the 500/540 chassis was cool when new. I like the tourenwagons, and they are far from “beautiful”. Not trying to be a downer on MB or the big pre war platform, just don’t care for how they present their car’s history accurately.

  6. Naughas may be on the endangered list but the pleathers are still fair game; and pleather makes a fine seat covering. Most are shot in China. It’s my understanding that “them is good eating!”, just use lots of catchup and drink a nice Chanti. No fava beans!

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  7. ANY car that doesn't run and never will again just burns my a**. I understand taking a treasured piece of history and respecting it, but is a car really a car if it will never run again or see the road? I think not........with the 1897 olds, starting it and running it around the parking lot would have been fine........how is anyone going to be interested in all this stuff if they cant play with it. 

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  8. It's always sad to see a friend go. Over the years I have had many car guys "show me the ropes" and it's not about cars. My university education was and has worked out "alright" but the lessons in business, history, travel, engineering, personel relationships, most everything I have accomplished was the result of two things........fantastic parents, and the the school of life -  living in and around the car hobby. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Just being a member of this forum has made my life and hobby so much better with friends all over the globe. Meeting people in person for the first time after working with them on line, over the phone, or by email, its a fantastic adventure. For ten years, I was helping a collector in India get a Pierce and a Stutz restored and supplied with parts and photos. This year, he sent the Stutz to Pebble. I got to meet him in person, and DRIVE the car............that was one of the bigger highlights of my hobby so far. Photo enclosed of the Stutz. Matt.......your friend is not really gone as long as you remember him. My best, Ed


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  9. Sorry, I don’t have a source. I can’t remember where I saw a display of them, possibly a truck stop or the like. It would be great to get six colts instead of twelve. Some people use the twelve volts with small rechargeable lithium batteries.....very discrete. Most of the custom LED stuff I see is coming from England........not sure if they make it or just market it better. 

  10. By the time you end up getting something to work, with all the adaptors, linkage, fuel supply, and other issues before you even address running and tuning the car, a correct carburator is your best value. At least you will be able to tune it correctly, and the car will still be correct. Every time I look at a car with an incorrect carb for sale I almost always pass.........because you know a thousand other short cuts were made on the car, and most of the other repairs and restoration was done half a****.

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  11. FYI- they make led lights that appear dark charcoal or black, and turn red when lit up.......keeps them kind of hidden. I have resisted putting anything on the back of my cars due to appearance issues, but the ones that go from black to red are much less offensive to the eye than the old lights available in the past. Also, LED uses almost no power compared to any other choices.

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  12. Great web site for the cars. Having grown up in Western Massachusetts there were a handful of Cole 30 motor cars back in the 60’s and 70’s, thus they were always on my radar. I see three cars listed in Massachusetts and now missing, I am sure if you contact the AACA Pioneer Vally Region and get to speak to some of the long time members, they can tell you where at least of those cars went to. I last saw it in Northfield Massachusetts about five or seven years ago on a fall foliage tour with some other HCCA cars. Interestingly I made a guess as to how many known Cole cars would be on your official list.........I was pleasantly surprised to see more than triple the number I expected. Good luck in you endeavors and thanks for preserving our American history. Ed

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  13. A ridged hone will give you a perfect bore. You did eight sleeves and hone for 1K!!!! Wow that is cheap........in New England almost 95 percent of the machine shops are gone, and the few left are clueless to the pre war stuff. We just did a 904 last year and it was quite a bit more than that. If you live in an agricultural area I understand that it is often much less expensive to do these type of repairs. I secured an extra 904 block before we did the work just in case we had a problem..........Pressing in the liners can cause a problem, not too often but it is a risk, as is going into the water gallery and then having sealing issues. As usual there are a half a dozen correct ways to do things......... often its time more than cost that dictate how the repair is done. 

  14. Check the wall thickness, then hone to the minimum you need, and have the pistons made, as it costs the same for a standard oversize or special as long as they are an made to order item. Why take the risk? I am told Egge no longer makes pistons. There are several great companies that do, but recently some have changed hands. There is also a new company in Colorado that does fantastic work, and just made two sets for us, but their name escapes me. I'm down south for the winter, so I can't check the box.

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    Pierce Arrow used green tinted glass all around in the mid thirties to the end. CCCA judging rules call for MANDATORY deductions for all other cars. I have seen a 1933 Pierce with tinted glass that looked very old........no idea if it was available then.

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