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    29 Cadillac Sport Phaeton

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

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    I remember the car at local meets as a kid........so I’m guessing it was early to mid and late 70’s. I don’t remember if I saw it after 1990........there were a few 29 Cadillac dual cowls that were active in the area......Ed Jacobowitz had a 28 he drove often. The Belltown meet was always full of good early Cadillacs on display. Suffield Ct is about 15 miles from the town I spent most of my life in. It’s a great car........happy at the 50-52 mph range........they go faster, but the engine gets very busy over that speed. One note of caution......Cadillac babbitt bearing material from that era will remain fine if not disturbed, but the act of pulling bearings to check things out  often will cause the material to come away from the shells and rod caps.....so I recommend leaving good enough alone if you drop the pan to clean it. Ed

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    Thanks George, I posted the White photos in my original thread, taken from the shop manual. People have been very generous by sending me stuff......more than you could imagine. I think the odds of finding much new stuff that is helpful is small. I still think that electrical diagrams are the best bet........and there is no guarantee that if one shows up, it will actually be accurate with the diagram or date. The August 15, 1915 statement is the biggest help.......they made their decision to go to only fours........and they wouldn’t have done that until the had an engine they thought was a winner......and having been extensively tested. I’m comfortable that what has been posted will get the car in to HCCA events without any problem. Interestingly, it’s only one tour every few years that I will be close enough to the “restricted date national tours” they do, so 95 percent of all driving and club events were never at risk........I didn’t buy the car because of any particular date........I bought it because I like it, it’s one hell of a machine, they run and drive fantastic, and fill the exact void in my garage and collection that I was looking to fill. I was fantastically surprised with the first car’s performance, and I’m certain I will  be with White number to also........does anything else matter? 

    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    The August 15 1915 announcement was three months before my block was poured. Since truck engines at the time were almost exclusively four’s, I wonder if that figured into their decision making. The 4-45 truck engine was in production for over a decade unchanged......a few have told me even longer. Maybe the logic was to keep to just one basic engine design........was the dual valve thought to have a future in the truck world? With that early announcement of discontinuing the six.........it makes sense they would have tested the 4 valve engine to their satisfaction. 1915 makes even more sense now............

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    Larry, I have the 1917 Diagram, showing a magneto only four plug system. We are looking for any 1914-1917 White diagram showing battery/magneto with dual spark plugs (8 total).............From what I am seeing, I don’t think we will find anything. The eight plug system uses a Bosch Dual -Twin Spark 4 unit...........Best, Ed.

    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    Disaster Strikes..........White Number Two..........shit hits the fan!

     

    Well, tonight while driving in the car to go to the hardware store to get supplies to fix a broken water pipe in the kitchen.........so the house is in a huge mess, and I leave for Hershey in a few hours, and the wife is still pissed off about my 14 day western trip without her...........don’t know why she is upset, I told her about it in day two when I was out in New Mexico.............she overheard me telling Phil to leave White number one alone, and concentrate on fixing White number two. 
     

    PROBLEM- she just found out about White number two while I was on the phone.......must have slipped my mind I bought the car......well, I can tell you she was in the Navy for six years, she can’t cook, she can’t clean, but she sure can swear like a sailor! She is now not talking to me..........yup, I’m enjoying the quiet! Sure hope she cools down by Friday or the drive from Massachusetts to Florida it’s going to be very long..........

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    Ok, here is the page from the 1917 16V4 catalog from White Motor Car Company.....read the ignition line.........Magneto ONLY! Well, my white number  two is a battery/magneto combination unit.......It’s getting obvious that the number two car isn’t a 1917.......defined by White. Never mind all the other mechanical differences. 
     

     

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    1 minute ago, 1912Staver said:

    Hi Ed, there used to be a reasonably late White up here in this part of the world. A very nice touring. I haven't seen it for some time so I suspect it has probably left the area. It was possibly a Washington State car however I seem to remember it was from B.C. Not the older one on Vancouver Island, a 1915 or 1916 similar to your new one. Does it ring a bell ?


    Yup......a 4-45 of 1916. Here it is..........owner is a nice guy, and has been helpful with me in making identifications of other cars.

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    oil - or the lack of it - for fan pulley & hub - 1937 President engine

    in Studebaker, Erskine & Rockne

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    The good news.......we make new CNC hubs, with sealed bearings to eliminate the factory oil pump and slinger set up.......it will continuously toss oil on the engine and all under the hood......been there, done that. I have seen dry hubs stall engines.........and eat radiators. The fill plug is placed at 9 or 3 o’clock and you fill the hub to half way, and watch it leak everywhere. I did my first redesign of that thing in the 80s. We probably have sold 300 of them over the years........That design was used 1929 to 1938........John and I are off to Hershey........till Friday. Ed.

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    White #2 update:

     

    We got the broken clutch fork fixed and welded correctly. Came out perfect. It pays to use a very talented welder. The clutch linkage is all back in place, as original, installed correctly.......which it was NOT. Dropped the flywheel cover........found ground up clutch.....big time. Typical tractor mechanic hacks.......they couldn’t figure out the White clutch......which is not easy. Anyway, Phil has it driving and shifting correctly......but it’s gonna need a reline  of the dual disk clutch. I’m sure when we get it apart we will find more tractor mechanic hacks along the way. Right now, we plan on continuing to sort and figure the car out. The clutch can come out in about three hours. The hardest thing doing the clutch job is packing the friction disks......and hoping they don’t get lost in shipping to Fort Wayne Clutch........my go to guys for all clutch jobs. Phil is making a wish list, to do list, and a few other observations. This car since it’s running will be done differently than the last car. We will break it down into smaller weekend projects.

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    1929 Stutz Model M Cabriolet Project

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

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    49 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said:

    Ed:

     

    True, Any Stutz is cool, that's why there are "Stutz Nutz"!   

     

    Someone, please find the DV-32 Continental Coupe by Waterhouse...even if you have to make it out of thin air!

     

    Steve


    How about it’s Irish twin......the Waterhouse Convertible Victoria? 😏
     

    I must confess, I was driving it last week! 😎

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    1929 Stutz Model M Cabriolet Project

    in "Not Mine" Automobiles For Sale

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    Steve:

     

    Any Stutz is cool!

     

    That said, it’s the DV-32 cars that entertain me. Properly built and tweaked they run great.........seems the DV in our garage has pop up pistons, hot cams, and tricked out carb and ignition. How to describe it? SCARY FAST! I tend not to drive it much.......it’s too fun to spin it up to 3500 rpm.........pulls hard and is a joy to drive. Only down side to them.......the very interesting ones are seven figures plus.........not for poor car mechanics! 

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    George........... short but quick and true story. The one of top collectors in the world recently asked me to get his son a “brass” Pierce arrow. He probably has 400 cars and one of the top five collections in the hemisphere. I asked him if it had to be a HCCA car......... he has 20 of them himself including some that are well over 100 hp. His exact response..........

     

     

    ” I don’t care, it really doesn’t matter much anymore, because most of the best tours are privately run and you can take anything you want on them.”

     

    His words, not mine.

     

    i’m not looking to rain on anyone’s parade, the CCCA keeps adding cars that aren’t that great and shouldn’t be on the list. The justification is the everybody should be included mentality. The membership continues to decline. It’s getting that way for all the organizations now. We had the era of the VMCCA, AACA, CCCA, and the single marque clubs....... with exception of the AACA(Probably will be the last man standing, and the long term center of the hobby.) ,  they are becoming much less relevant because of the concours car show world. The hobby shifts and evolves. Hell some people consider car auctions car shows! People pay all sorts of money to go to Mecum or Barrett because they find it entertaining along the lines of a casino. Not only will I not pay to go into one, I wont attend one if you paid me. One more thing our Internet car clubs, and they are also changing the face of the hobby. I think the date number from 1915 to 1916 is about to change in a different direction than most people realize. The Modoc tour, Mozart tour, Colorado Grand, and so many others now take any “cool” car that people want to participate with. Dates are falling out of favor.......the drivability of any particular car on modern roads is what really calls out value today. For years no one would buy a Crane Simplex or late series Winton......... try to buy one today, nobody is selling. Late Loco’s have found new fans......all driving them on the private tours..........I see it all the time because of the car world I work in. The era of “big nickel” is almost upon us.........fast, large, imposing, and relatively inexpensive and affordable. Buy them now, while you can.

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    The Wandering White Thread - A Custom 1915 Rare White Finds A Good Home In Florida

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    I forgot to mention........and it’s possible that it’s an important clue.........the casting date of May 8 1915 on the block is in a different place than any of the other White cars I have seen. Every car manufacturer I have ever seen over the years was always very consistent with where the date tag was placed when pouring the blocks.......can’t help but wonder why the one on my car is in such a strange location.......hell, it’s not even square to the block.........almost like it was done at the last second......or as an afterthought. Last night I was pondering that the chassis may be old leftovers hanging around the factory, the motor tossed in it as a somewhat test or engineering platform, is it a leftover 45hp body? The mechanical differences and early date codes matching the town car make it seem unlikely that it’s a leftover body on a later chassis. The more I think about it, the more I realize we are unlikely to get a clear answer........maybe we need a few more unknown cars from overseas or still hidden away in barns to add to the base of knowledge. 

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