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  1. This was my first year at Hershey with my son and from what I heard on the forums was that carts and vehicles were a problem and I didn't find it that way at all. It was actually a heck of a lot safer and more orderly than a city street with pedestrians and cars. There are a lot of aging attendees so you are going to see more mobility vehicles. One thing they could do is to make the passageways and lanes a bit wider. There is actually plenty of room to do this as there were plenty of gaps in the show field where people didn't show up or they don't have enough vendors to fill the spaces any
  2. Thanks! I have never seen that car in person though I am familiar with it from the files. It is a great looking one! Here is a picture of it.
  3. Thank you for sharing, I will have to check those out!
  4. Steve, The real killer for Cole was Northway. Northway made engines for both Cole and Cadillac going back to 1910, though typically the engines were completely different. For example Cadillac released their V8 in October of 1914 and it was a 60 degree solid head design with 270 or so cubic inches. Cole released their V8 in January of 1915 and it was the first 90 degree flathead V8's with detachable cylinder heads and was a larger 346 cubic inches. Both engines were made by Northway, though Cole's Chief Engineer spent 6 months at Northway in Detroit during 1914 working on Cole's
  5. Thank you for sharing this. There are several Coles that used these, though it was not consistent for all body styles during a given model or Series. I wonder who the supplier was for the handles.
  6. Thanks for sharing. The top picture is me and the 1925 Cole and the bottom is my son and his 1923 Cole 2person Coupe. Both pictures were taken at the CCCA Michigan Grand Classic. It was a fun event and I doubt that many Coles have shown in the CCCA even though they are Full Classics.
  7. Cole used several different body makers over the years but hardly ever publicized who the maker was. Some bodies were general makers, some were small contract runs, and some were completely custom. Confirmed body makers for Cole were Springfield, Fisher, Rubay, Willoughby, Racine, Robbins, Rex, and a few others. Springfield did make bodies for Rolls Royce, however it is not the in house builder by the same name. Now, on to the demise of Cole. The Cole Motor Car Company actually ceased operations in the Fall of 1924. The board voted to liquidate in April of 1924 and then Col
  8. Some great questions and I will answer this a bit later when I have some more time. The fortune and money was the smallest factor and Billy Durant tried to buy Cole 3 times! Ill explain more today.
  9. For races in 1910 and 1911, Cole always just used stock Cole 30 speedsters and maybe just removed a bit more of the body and did some tuning. Here are a few pictures of Endicott and the typical cars that would have been in the two races that you mentioned.
  10. This is the Cole that Ringfelt owned, a 1913 Cole Series 8 Roadster 6 cylinder. It now resides in the Palmetto Collection in Florida. https://collectiononpalmetto.com/automobiles The grey unrestored 6-60 Cole that you refer to now is in a large private collection in Indiana.
  11. I remember and glad you got to see the Coles! The Model T class is always fun. Yesterday was the last one for the year at the museum. It was nice meeting you.
  12. I don't have a lot of information, but did find this information in the Cole information that I have from an old Cole Bulletin. “As for the teams and drivers, some of them spent their Sunday off as guests of “Farmer Bill” Endicott, the driver of the No. 42 Cole, who had many of the boys out to his farm in Crawfordsville, Indiana for a big, home-cooked country meal courtesy of his wife. Many of them drove out to the Endicott farm in the race cars they would pilot in the big race on Tuesday, May 30. (1911) The forty-second and forty-
  13. It’s hard to say any company was definitely first at anything in the early auto industry, but Cole was very early collaborator and user of them years earlier than the 1919 ACD Cole.
  14. Yes, that is a great 1919 Toursedan. You would really like the 1917 Cole Toursedan that is in the Gilmore exhibit. It was advertised as the car that could go from a closed car to an open car in less than 10 minutes. It was accomplished by a special body that was developed between Cole and Springfield. The body was also sold to a few other makers in 1918 and 1919. The Cole you shared from the national museum also has the same mechanism and the body was made by Springfield. Here is a walk through video I made about the 1917 Cole Toursedan as you really don't get to see it how it works whe
  15. Glad you enjoyed and driving them around is the best part!
  16. Those are Westinghouse Air Shocks for an early type of air suspension. Cole worked with Westinghouse a few years earlier on these and started offering them on cars at that time. There is an air compressor under the front seat and you ran the hose to each cylinder and filled them up to between 45 and 90psi. The car would raise up 3 to 4 inches and would provide a nice comfortable ride. Two cylinders were on the front and two were on the back.
  17. Thanks for sharing that picture, I had not seen that one before! There is one that we know of that survives which is a 1920. About 10 years ago the guy that owns it was doing a restoration on it and then it went to the back burner. I talked to him a few months ago and he is going to get back to the project and finish it up. It really was a great looking model. Below is a picture from ten years ago as it was all being taken apart. Also a picture of the page from the dealer book about the model in 1920. The car as optioned with the disc wheels in your picture would have cost almost $4000
  18. Thanks! We are hoping to run across some Cole parts at Hershey, but it is not going to be easy. Kevin
  19. Craig, Thanks and the Tourscoupe is a nice car. I have not had a chance to get out there to see it myself yet, but will someday. There is another car of that model that exists that is down in Australia now, but I have not been able to track down the current owner. . Kevin
  20. It was on June 18th of 2018 that I joined the AACA and made one of my first posts on the forum titled “looking for owners of Cole Motor Cars. At the time I had a 1913 Cole Series 9 Touring Car. Since then, it has been a whirlwind 16 months for my 19 year old son and me! Over that period of time we 1. Acquired two more Cole motor cars 2. Made lots of friends, connections, and relaunched the Cole registry at www.colemotorcarregistry.com 3. Organized a Cole owners meetup this spring with ten Coles in attendance 4, Helped the Gilmore Car Museum put together a special
  21. Understood and agreed. I was more thinking of volunteering at a museum. For example there are several retired car guys who come in and maintain the cars at the Gilmore on a volunteer basis because they love working on old cars. They also have a garage works program where they teach high schoolers to work on and do a car restoration and that again is a volunteer program.
  22. I am not even close to retirement, but we recently relocated from the Detroit Michigan suburbs to west Michigan and it has been excellent! Lower cost, nice open roads with not many people on them (as long as you are not living directly in Kalamazoo or Grand Rapids) and lots of car people as well. I now live about 15 miles from the Gilmore Car museum and then if you extend that range, I am within 1 - 3 hours of other auto museums such as the ACD, the Studebaker museum, the REO museum in Lansing, and of course the car museums in Detroit. Also Hagerty insurance headquarters are in Traverse city
  23. This is an interesting scenario and fight going on in Nebraska. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a29023874/ford-model-a-classic-car-cant-register/
  24. Thanks and I have not sold it yet, though I have not been very active in selling it either. I took it to a show at the Gilmore car museum and I ended up loaning it to them for display over the winter. I can get it out if someone is interested and buys it and I will keep exercising it while it is there. One of their detail guys gave it a good going through and it is looking real nice! Here is a picture of it right after he finished it. Not the best picture but you get the idea.
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