58L-Y8

Good, glad to know serious damage wasn't done, hard to tell from the poor photos. West, Will you be attending the auction?

GregLaR Here's the link: http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20543&forum=4&post_id=202101#forumpost202101 Includes another link to a AACA Forum thread where this car has been discussed before. Anytime one runs across a club or formal sedan of questionable origin, the telltale is always the upper rear door frame which if its original will have the correct curved form and conforming drip molding. No one trying to create a club or formal sedan from the six window styles bothers to go to the trouble to get this key detail correct. Simply closing or "blanking out" the quarter window doesn't do the job. Not surprisingly, these ersatz efforts always seem to be credited to a custom coachbuilder with commensurate prices. Steve

Packard added the four window club sedan for only the 1940 Eighteenth Series to the 120, 160 and 180 127" wheelbase models, none in 1939 Seventeenth Series, dropped it for 1941. Presumably this was in anticipation of the new Clipper to arrive mid-season. This car was discussed on our PackardInfo Forum at one time when it was offered on Craigslist. Some conclusion were drawn on how it may have come to be. I'll locate the topic and post a link. Steve

I ran across this '58 Packard about twenty years ago in an auction at Norwich during the Memorial Day weekend events. Its a pretty solid, decent example. I have the numbers written down somewhere, recall it was about midway through the production year. Fast forward ten years, it shows up on eBay, then in the Geneseo, NY area. Next its was bought by a local garage owner in Nunda, who enjoyed it a few years before he fell ill with cancer and passed. Its been since sold, gone who knows where. But I expect it will come to my attention again here in a few years. My preference is for a 1957 Clipper town sedan, a good one.

Typical of the "hey, let turn this rough sedan, coupe, whaterver into a snazzy roadster and cash in!" The telltales are always the surface development in specific areas: the cowl which were handled very differently on roadsters and phaetons versus closed styles. And the rear panels which are dead flat i.e. no lofting or gentle curvature which was the standard practice of professional coachbuilders. The quick-buck customizers don't have and/or aren't skilled in the use of the English wheel and panel-beating tools and its shows. I'm sure that Chris Bohman and Maurice Schwartz would take great issue with having this body 'credited' to them! Steve

58L-Y8 is the model designation for the 1958 Packard sedan, hardtop and station wagon. Oddly enough, I've never owned one. Elsewhere on-line, I go by 58L8134 which is the serial number of the last 1958 Packard built, the end of the line.

Thanks, nice look at those artifacts of another time. Someone's First Series 1935 Graham Six expired in beautiful country.

If anyone here attends the auction, please give us a report. Better yet, if you buy it, tell us all about it, body number etc.

Apparently an effort was made to 'convert' this rare, highly desirable semi-custom LeBaron Sport Brougham into a two door coupe. Talk about a car falling into the wrong hands! Steve

This auction to be held May 18th, 2019 at Laurelville, Ohio includes a 1941 Packard 180 LeBaron Sport Brougham! https://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/3272324.html?kwd=Packard&zip=14836&category=4 Photos: https://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/photopanel.cgi?listingid=3272324&category=4&zip=14836&kwd=Packard Its an ambitious project but extremely worthwhile given how rare and desirable this model is, hope it finds a new, appreciative conservator. Steve

See Packard For Sale for auction details.

This VanDerBrink Auction at Springfield, Michigan, June 15, 2019 includes a 1931 REO Flying Cloud 8-31 sedan:: http://www.vanderbrinkauctions.com/auction/vintage-motorcycles-race-cars-collector-cars-parts/

Please save that rare Graham-Paige 629 town sedan, its too rare to lose! Value restored bedamned, conservatorship of a sole survivor is worthy objective in and of itself! Steve

Only the small run of Hayes-bodied coupes were the only bodies Hayes built for Chrysler who sourced the others from Briggs. Hayes was building Combination Coupes for Graham Sharknose with the same handsome thin, chrome window frames. The '39-'40 Mercury coupes of similar detail were Murray is memory serves. About twenty to twenty-five years ago at the Dunkirk Flea Market, I came upon an unrestored original black 1939 Chrysler C-23 (eight cylinder) Victoria Coupe by Hayes on a car trailer for sale. There were only 35 Imperials, 99 New Yorkers and 134 Saratoga Victoria Coupes built, it was a New Yorker, in decent, restorable condition. I never saw or heard anything of it again. Does anyone know of this car and its disposition? Steve

When I hear "Look, up in the sky" I think of the Willys 77! Caricatured in the 1930's rubbery cartoon style, it would be hilarious!

Bowdown hood, Look-up-in-the-sky headlights and starfish wheels, almost a cartoon car. Not every car Amos Northup designed was a masterpiece.

Another ghastly and pretentious replica, run away, NOW!

Willys Whippet with another make front bumper?

Advertisements peddling those Prinzing neo-classic replicars used to appear in Hemmings. Like most all of the genre, two words apply: ghastly and pretentious! Cars made specifically for those with NO taste and entirely TOO much money! Remember, there is a butt for every seat.

Its a '36 Oldsmobile Eight Model L Henney Progress Model 764 by the Oldsmobile Crestline history. The Oldsmobile commercial chassis were also used by Sayers & Scoville for ambulance and hearse production, they were a less costly line.

Forward spam emails to spam@uce.gov, makes them go away.

Walt, A photo of the Cadillac 341 Series with Hibbard & Darrin torpedo phaeton can be found on page 263 of Cadillac, Standard of the World, The Complete Seventy Year History by Maurice D. Hendry. I recall reading H & D licensed Gill in England to build the design as well. The style also was mounted on Stutz chassis.

The Graham Owners Club would be a good place to investigate what parts sources are available. There used to be a warehouse in Auburn, Indiana that still offered NOS Graham and Hupmobile parts from the leftover stocks of those companies, tracking it down would be worthwhile. The 629 is in specification almost identical to the Packard 526 and 533, wheelbase between at 129", same displacement six cylinder, long-stroke and torquey. The Graham club could enlighten as to what the survival rate is for known cars, I'd surmise its quite low and rare. Good luck.

That's a interesting Graham-Paige, the only series listing four window Town Sedans are the Model 629 and 835. Since the model numbers denote number of cylinders and wheelbase length, a quick measurement hub to hub will answer which series it is. The 1928 and First Series 1929 629 had their largest six cylinder engine 288.6 shared with the 619. At $1,985-$2,185, these competed with Studebaker President FA & FB, Buick Six 129, Willys-Knight 66A & 66B, Hupmobile Century 125 & M, Jordan 8JE, Auburn 8-88 & 8-120, a crowded market segment. While it would be a worthwhile restoration of a rare car, not one to do if this is one's first collector car and/or have any hope of recouping the investment. Please let us know what model that Graham-Paige is.

Stateside, its my understanding the Hibbard & Darrin licensed Derham to build their Torpedo Transformable Phaeton, which as noted was also mounted on Cadillac 341, Lincoln L, Packard 645, DuPont G and Duesenberg J. The convertible coupe version also appeared on most of those same fine chassis as well as Pierce-Arrow, even became the basis for their own convertible coupe design. Yes Mr. Gosden, please write down all the personal stories you've been privy to in conversations and correspondence with well-known designers and coachbuilders, there is an eager and ready audience who would very much like to read them.