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The belt-line and fender parking lights date this as a 1930 Roosevelt by Marmon with Deluxe equipment.

You are welcome. The Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942 by Beverly Rae Kimes and Henry Austin Clark et al, published by Krause Publications.

Chrysler Airstream Six. Series C-7: 43,471 Chrysler Deluxe Airstream Eight, Series C-8: 9,502

Wouldn't the upper rear door corner be curved if it were based on a club sedan? It looks as if it was a six-window sedan that has had the quarter window blanked out.

1934 Pierce-Arrow, formal sedan style, 1240?

Dodge was the only Mopar division to offer the Custom four-window town sedan after the war from 1946 through the early 1949 models. They built only 27,800 ($1,872) versus 333, 911 six-window sedans ($1,788). The practical interest over the stylish consideration and price differential limited sales. The town sedan should have been included in the Chrysler line where upscale buyers were more interested in stylishness and willing to pay the extra for it.

Ed, what is a realistic price for this Pierce-Arrow 80 in non-running condition?

The banner on the wall to the right reads, "Pierce-Arrow Pacific Sales Co." one of the Pierce-Arrow Sales Corporation operations. The sale of the Pierce-Arrow Sales Corporation division of the company was a condition for the million dollar loan by the Buffalo banks after the 1934 bankruptcy to keep the company going. Sales would be handled by private distributors thereafter, so wrote Marc Ralston in his book. It didn't help sales. Ed, Anything to add?

I'll third that idea, the Dietrich sport sedan needs a convertible coupe to compare with for context...plus just being two of the most interesting and elegant designs of the period.

I have no personal interest or stake the eventual sale of this 1927 Pierce-Arrow Series 80 sedan. https://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/d/slatedale-1927-pierce-arrow-series-80/7125988987.html

Have you had a chance to contact Dave Czirr with the pertinent serial and thief-proof numbers? This is the '42 2004-1562 pictured in the PackardInfo Forum Photo Archive. By the other photos, it has Electromatic clutch and overdrive, no partition window, is fitted with the rear compartment footrail.

A 19?? What's it Gunboat touring. Now, that would be menacing tearing down the road toward you!

All the 1930's through 1942 Studebaker Commanders and Presidents are well-engineered, well-crafted and attractively-styled cars that are largely overlooked. Choicest would be a President, but Commanders are a worthy choice too. Best to select the years and models that appeal to you the most after study then set you sights on pursuing those as your first choice to acquire. Buy the best car you can afford in year, model and especially condition and you will be delighted with it.

Congratulations! What a great Chrysler! Whatever you can do to honor the gentleman who so magnanimously selected you as the next conservator would be the right thing to do, perhaps speak with his family to learn what he values most. The Chrysler Airstreams were styled under the direction of Ray Dietrich who headed Chrysler Art & Color at the time. The Deluxe Airstream C-8, 121 inch wheelbase, 273.8 cu. in. L-Head straight eight were the solid, middle-priced Chrysler line which also included a long wheelbase model line as well. Of the body styles available, the factory-priced $1,075 two door convertible coupe is the rarest at 240 built. Glad you have this rare gem, take care of it well.

The 1562 is the 2004, 138 inch wheelbase six passenger touring sedan. When you have a chance, measure the wheelbase to be sure. The partition windows where done that way, track on the side, closed against the headliner. A privacy curtain would not be unusual. Dave Czirr (Owen Dyneto on the PackardInfo Forum) records and analyzes Packard serial and thief-proof number (the large numbers stamped between the triangles on the firewall in the engine compartment). He would be the individual to contact for correct answers. I'd recommend you visit the PackardInfo site, check the Photo Archives for 1942. there is a 160 pictured there that might be your car.

The images look to be 138" but its your car so you would know. The 127" wb 160 is a Model 2003, Body Style No. 1572, the six-window touring sedan for six passengers. Even more of a real anomaly, barely enough room to fit the partition window parallel with the B-pillar, to say nothing of the auxiliary seat which must be rather tight. What does the data plate show?

A 1942 Super Eight 160, Model 2004, Body Style No. 1562, 138 inch wheelbase, is the basic model. The addition of a retractable partition window but with broadcloth upholstery throughout, rather than the typical drivers compartment leather upholstery for limousine types, makes it a berline style body. The berline was sedan fitted with a partition window intended to be owner-driven but also outfitted for occasional formal use. The one side-facing folding auxiliary seat was added for the short-term use when an addition passenger accompanying either a full complement of passengers or for an attendant for the rear seat passengers. Since it was not a standard listed Twentieth Series model, this car was a special order which Packard was famous for accommodating.

It surprises me that no one has converted a hearse or ambulance into a parade phaeton by grafting sedan trunk quarters into the rear of the body and additional bracing throughout, installing seating, flagstaffs and lighting for a VIP parade use. A rudimentary top which could be set up in the event of showers.

*Whew* That was close! Starting to suffer withdrawal here... Thanks for retrieving it from the great digital beyond...!

This is a 1934 Cadillac Series 355-D seven passenger sedan or limousine by Fisher Body Division of General Motors, built on the 136 inch wheelbase chassis. The 'bi-plane' bumpers identify it as a 1934 model. Fleetwood bodies were also available on the 146 inch wheelbase chassis as the 355-D V-8 or Series 370-D V-12 but those bodies are readily identified by both the front and rear doors being hinged on the center B-pillar.

A. J. No mention was made of Model U body builders other than Raulang. Analyzing the design, it looks to be the same components through the B-Pillar as the sedan, only the body reward from the B-pillar looks unique which should have been easy for Raulang to create. My understanding is that Murray built their other model series production bodies, Amos Northup designed the Century series. There are similarities with the Murray-built Victoria body for REO and Lincoln KA, that may be simply coincidence. Just my hunch, Northup or Andrade designed the bodies that Raulang built. Maybe even Ray Dietrich popped in to assist...

A. J. The only period evidence of their existence I've found is the brief appearance of one in the 1930 home movie of the Binghamton, NY Packard dealership I posted the YouTube link to in the AACA Forum Hupmobile section. Period photos seem to be elusive, though every carmaker typically did issue press kits with 8" X 10" glossy images of their new cars. In a conversation with a major Hupmobile collector in Connecticut a few years ago, he told me four Model U Hupmobiles were still extant, three sedans and one Victoria coupe. I too would love to see one in the metal. Here is the video link, at 2:38 to 2:40 the Hupmobile Custom Eight sedan drives by: Thanks for raising the subject again, I wondered if anyone noticed my original posting. Such are the hazards of fascination with the extreme obscure...

Thanks Walter! I discovered that drawing variations of the 1958-1960 Lincolns designs. The gentle slope of the hood as it curves inward also re-enforces the visual anomaly of a rising fender-line. Its just one of the styling features that makes these Lincolns so unique and unforgettable. Sorry to divert from the original topic regarding Ford Model K, now back to the program in progress...

That's a good image, please add it to this topic too:

What a weird optical illusion! Its because as the frame horns turn down they also turn outward, making the one nearest the view appear more bent than the other. Its the same visual anomaly seen on the 1958-1960 Lincolns: The forward fender-line is dead straight, no gentle arch downward as is normal practice, At the same time, it angles outward making the front fenders appear as if they're rising in height from the cowl forward.