Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 i HAD a set of reproduction WIDE white wall tires that only said H-78 15 Supreme 78 on the side NO LOGO markings. Who made those tires????? NO, i'm not going to ask for a refund nor adjustment i would just like to know who made the tires. By the way, i have had good service from Coker MOTORCYCLE tires that get ridden pretty hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Well now, let me set you straight.700x80 {26x3] was a once popular size for "light sporting cars" circa 1913-1929 and many cars exist which take this size, particularly overseas. Most of these vehicles are in the 1,000-1,500 lb range and therefore well within the load range of the black Simplex 26x3 which I have used on 2 of my cars with success. The Stellite which rarely exceeded 40mph was no barometer for tyre wear but the Horstman regularly cruises at 65mph and corners beautifully thanks to Hartford telecontrol dampers and in 4 years I have noticed no sidewall separation,just normal tread wear.Bear in mind that sharp cornering or "sideswiping" is a normal part of controlling such vehicles at speed with primitive 2 wheel brakes combined with non-synchro crash boxes and you will begin perhaps to understand the real stresses placed upon the rubber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 "65 mph, sharp turns, TWO WHEEL BRAKES" <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Carleton, you daring devil you! You're a man after my own heart. "To hell with the pedestrians, full speed ahead!" <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Wayne, I wish you and your Teamster buddies would pickup the tire remains you scatter all over the countryside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 OK, Mr. Hoodenpyle, I accept your offer and will call you on Monday.Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Bob, I'm from the south, remember? We hate unions down here. That's why so much industry has moved south to be non-union and to save on manufacturing costs. Oh, that's the last step before they go off shore to foreign countries. If our boys in the south could just figure out how to keep the industry here we'd beat you in the next war. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Looks like Alabama is already gearing up to secede from the union over a "rock"? in the court house. Doesn't take much to set our boys off, you know! As for tires, I use only virgin new tires on my trucks. Haven't had a blow out in years. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Wayne, I'm sorry for the previous post, I'm from SOUTHERN Connecticut, bet those tire remains came from Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Apology accepted, Bob. Let's see, within this last year, I've become a friend to a Connecticut Yankee and been taken in by one Democratic "Randle". Someone get me an aspirin, I must be coming down with something. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Bob, if I recall accurately, the jargon for remnants of "re-treads" we all see on the highways is "...an alligator at mile marker whatever in the hammer lane".Come to think of it, they do look like alligators.These lazy-hazy days of Summer are getting to me, Wayne. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 Now Wayne, what is all this Yankee stuff all about? Of all of those newsletters that you were sending me, there wasn't one of your editorials that even contained the word "Y'ALL" So are you really from the south? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DeSoto Frank Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 I'm all for "full disclosure" from the mfr. about how a given tire should be expected to perform, but as far as "needing two sets of tires goes", that seems to me to be a function of whether the car is going to be a trailer queen competing for its AACA Senior trophy, or whether its really going to be driven...For my own purposes, if/when I make my '41 De Soto a real daily driver /highway car, for practical purposes I would probably be best off taking the 16" rims and "correct" 6.50 x16" Goodyear ribbed-whitewall diamond treads off and storing them in the garage and mounting 15" rims (which Chrysler Corp switched to in 1947) and going with either a wider 15" tire such as a 7.50 x15 wide white, or for best handling/longest tire life even going to these new "antique" radial tires (pardon the "heresy"! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />).I'm a real stickler for "correct appearance" when it comes to cars and other antiques - and "fat" tires on a pre-war car bug me (especially those fake "Auburn" 852 boatails with nice enough coachwork, but obviously "incorrect" wire wheels & fat radial tires.); so I don't know if I could actually bring myself to slap radials on the '41.Even if somebody gave me the second set of tires & rims, I probably couldn't be bothered to change them back & forth.I'm sure that given that nice paved roads we have nowadays, the grey or white (and other) "authentic" tires last at least as long as the OEM tires did in 1917! If you read any accounts of car trips in pre-Depression times, I think the single most common problem faced by early motorists was tire failure; this is probably why the "sports" and heavy "high-end" cars carried two (or more) spares as regular equipment!(Hope I didn't miss the point here...)I guess it largely comes back to the "mission" for your particular antique car: if it's to be a trophy winner, then you'll put the appropriate tires on it, and you're not going to grind 'em bald driving around the country.If you're going to drive the car a lot, then you're probably going to "build it to drive".It is nice if you have some choices in your particular size - I know that can be a frustration for folks with pre-Depression cars; heck - I don't have the widest selection of 16" bias tires to choose from anymore for the De Soto, and I'm really challenged for my 1955 first series Chevy dump truck, which should wear 7.50 x 20 tires: none of the regular tire retailers seem to be able to get them and I have to either go to 8.25 x 20 (too big) or buy "authentic" tires ($$$$$)! Truck is a working vehicle, not a show queen - so I don't want to spend a fortune on tires.Think I'll change my name to "Fisk" and re-tire! <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />Frank McMullen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Jess H. Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 PackardV8,That may be an older tire. I'm not familiar with it. Sorry I couldn't be more help on this one.Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 After a phone conversation with Mr. Hoodenpyle on Monday, I received a new BFG 235/70R15 WWW tire yesterday, had it mounted and balanced today. The garage confirmed a broken belt(s) in the tire and I called Coker giving them the assigned number to pick up the tire. So far, so good. Now we'll see what Coker says about the returned tire. I believe the power of this forum has been demonstrated.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R W Burgess Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Randy, Sometimes the squeeky wheel does get greased, like they always say. Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Randy, glad to hear of your success, so far, and the attention received through the forum. Personally, I feel Coker will satisfy your dilemna based upon my satisfaction, and, others who posted satisfaction here.No vendor/supplier is perfect. I am sure you realize that. Believe me. I had my butt reamed up one side and down the other this past Tuesday due to "shifted" castings sent to a major account. After raising the roof with my guys, it turned out, a well intentioned molder thought the castings looked OK in his eyes. We backed up the error, re-cast the parts ($6,900), and, take it as a lesson learned to re-train internally. It will happen again sometime down the road, I am certain. If it happens with the casting in question, then, "shame on us. We deserve getting reamed out!.After thinking this scenario over, we hobbyist', on the positive note to Coker, Roadster Factory (in my case example on repro TR6 radiator hoses that failed twice above), we must support them as best we can. In turn, they must support us, which, I feel confident they will as it is their business purpose. Every once in awhile gliches occur in communication. (In your case, the original phone call that met with disatisfaction.) It's human nature. A vendor's business purpose/mission goal should not categorically be trashed based upon a few bad experiences the customer endured. To keep the old iron on the road, we are somewhat at the mercy of a diminishing resource: "Correct Reproduction Sources". In turn, "we hobbyist' have a vested responsibility to communicate to the supplier, as you have done, where they have shortcomings, they correct (re-train), and, everyone benefits down the road".That's how I see the whole picture. May be off base, whatever... Regards, Peter J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Invariably failures of communication occur between hobbyists and manufctrs, such as happened to me a dozen years ago.At this distance it is fruitless and unimportant to apportion the blame,My particular trabajo involved precisely machined gears which would not fit!!!!Several conversations afterward rectified this state of affairs to my satisfaction that resulted from a misunderstanding of my initial request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Good case example, Carleton...I know we may be detracting from Randall's tire problem. My experience with gears is extensive. Not enough time in the day to get into it. I have had many quote requests for cast gear blanks over the years. Then, the RFQ (Customer) requests hobbing. Hobbing of gears is a such a specialty within itself, that, we walk away from it.Hobbing folks talk in the "millimeter world". We in sand-cast Ferrous castings talk in the "+/- .030 world".Whatever, we all must assume some responsibility when communicating our needs to old iron suppliers. Sorry, Randall, that I took this off your subject.Regards, Peter J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Peter, whats the story on Beth Steel anyway. Will they make a come-back??? What about the steel industry in general??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Hi, PackardV8...hope all is well.So as not to get off Randall's topic, I will start a new thread tomorrow to give you my opinion and real world synopsis of metal casting as I experience daily.Take care, Peter J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judd Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Randy My Cokers bubbled at the rim just like yours and the tread is splitting also. I saw several cars at Cruisin the Coast last year with the same problem with Cokers. The do hold air well on my parts car though but I run Diamond Black Classics on my good car now.Judd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Just so we have the problem defined, it is NOT the Coker tire that caused me a problem, but a BFG tire that is manufactured by BFG for Coker. It is up to Coker to go back to BFG and demonstrate the weakness/fault. Coker will get the grief because they are the only rep for the WWW BFG radial, and that is as it should be. I'm sure BFG would not talk to me about the tire.Just wanted to clarify things and thank you all for your comments and experiences.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Dear Judd,Would you consider posting a photo of your Buick on the photo forum.I would like to check out your GREAT color combination.diz <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Judd...what is your case example, assuming you must have filed a complaint with Coker based upon the amount of tires.It would be nice to hear the whole scenario so as to benefit all of us (Hobbyist and Supplier??)I cannot fathom from your negative post, that, you did not call Coker, or, e-mail them. How did they respond? Any news is good news to fix a problem! If you want to put a "dig" on this topic about a vendor without telling us of your attempts at satisfaction, then, hit "send" without helping us...well, that ain't too neat.How far did you go, or, better yet, how interested were you in communicating your problem to the vendor??Regards, Peter J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter J.Heizmann Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Hi, PackardV8...I made a post in the R&R section on foundries, etc.Regards, Peter J. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Berger Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Coker Tire sent me a new tire and billed my Visa for it ($147.00) till they got my tire back and determined their liability. They have credited my Visa for $147.00 after examining the tire and discussing it with me. The resolution is satisfactory to me and it has taught me something - get the name of the person you are talking to and log the time of your call - regardless of who you are doing business with. I normally do that with motels because of the transient nature of their help, but I neglected to in this instance and maybe could have saved myself some grief. In any case, I am satisfied, the 400 is happy <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> and I am roadworthy again. The power of the internet and in particular this forum has been demonstrated.YFAM, Randy Berger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 glad to hear u got the problem resolved. Yep, now-a-days its getting to where we have to take names and ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxops Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 After reading the posts, I checked out Coker and Diamondback Tires. I have heard about the bubbling on Coker tires before, and that their tires are made by DOT code, in Mexico. I was advised by Coker to take a 225/70R15 tire for my 56 Cadillac Limousine. When I spoke with Diamondback, I was immediately advised that the tire I asked for was not strong enough for the load and the weight of the car. They advised me to go to a heavier duty tire, the 235/75R15.Diamondback Tires are made in the USA by several of the major tires manufacturers (Goodrich, Goodyear, Michelin, etc). I was impressed with their knowledge and concern that I get the best tire for the job. They did note that there is a checmical to repel UV rays, and the back of the tire mustn't touch the whitewall (don't stack them).No acrimony, just FYI that one needs to research all angles of a controversial subject and be cautious about where you expend your funds. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted October 4, 2003 Share Posted October 4, 2003 Yes, i doubt too that a 225 is big enuf for ANY FULL size Cadillac ever made with 15 inch wheels, let alone a Limo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 It's been a long road since last August, when I posted about my experience returning to Washington state from the Buick Centennial meet in Flint, Michigan. Two of my Coker Classic radial wide whitewall tires suffered broken steel belts, and I ended up replacing the tires with inexpensive blackwall tires in Manitowoc, Wisconsin and Sioux Falls, South Dakota. The trunk of the '59 Buick was already filled with luggage and various treasures purchased at the big swap meet in Flint, not to mention the Christmas gifts my wife was buying along the way. (No, there were no spare nailhead engines, Dynaflows, or other excessively heavy items stuffed in the Buick trunk!)My big problem was that I had to leave the tires behind, since I wasn't prepared to strap them to the roof. While the tire dealers made notes of the tire problems on the receipts and indicated that they would be available to discuss the problems with Coker, I did not have the presence of mind to request that the tires be set aside for future return to Coker.Upon returning home, I returned to the tire retailer from whom I had purchased the Cokers originally. Despite my repeated telephone calls, no progress was made toward resolution of my problem. The fact that I was unable to produce the defective tires was a significant problem. Finally, I called Jess Hoodenpyle of Coker Tire, and refreshed his memory regarding my original comments on this thread. I reviewed my tale of woe while Jess listened patiently, and I acknowledged that the lack of tires weakened my position. Still, I believed that I was entitled to some sort of adjustment for the troubled set of tires.Jess invited me to propose a solution that would be acceptable to me. I had driven about 10,000 miles on the Cokers before the failures, and indicated that I would like to receive a substantial credit toward the purchase of replacement tires. Jess agreed to the proposal, offering a credit equal to nearly 60% of the cost of the replacement tires as well as free shipping to my home. All things considered, I believe this to be a highly satisfactory resolution to my problems, and must say that I am entirely impressed by Coker's willingness to stand behind the tires I purchased in 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crabby Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 It's really comforting to know we can have confidence in one of the more important vendors for this hobby. The Coker tires on the Stellite pictured at left have been driven over 12,000 grueling miles, but then this car only weighs 1,500 lbs {without me of course} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Davis (MODEL A HAL) Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Centurian,I'm glad to know you got things settled. I am especially glad you came back on here to let us know what the outcome was. All too often, you only hear about the negative. It's refreshing to hear about the positive resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_534dr98 Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 About 4 years ago I purchased a set of Coker WWW radials. After abour a year, the sidewalls started to crack. I sent them back and was credited for the purchase of BF Goodrich WWW radials. They are an excellent tire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 ok folks. I'd say its time to reopen this thread again! Has anyone else had trouble using Cokers web site to ACTUALLY ORDER A TIRE?????? I called the Coker 1 800 number and apparently Coker only has ONE person capable of handling problems or questions about their order-form web site that looks like a circus poster or something AND that guy was ' out for lunch', he will call me later????. Or is it just me??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 furthermore: do those 5.00x16 M/C tires actually weigh 31 pounds each????? Thats what the 'details' of the web-site say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Jess H. Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Packard,What is the problem with out site? Is it finding the tire or ordering it. Please let me know ASAP. The 5.00-16 ships at 31 lbs because it is a tire. Fed Ex (or UPS) requires us to do it that way. A tire can not go through there system like a box, it requires more handling.Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_PackardV8 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Hmmmm. Have u ever thot of maybe putting it in a box??????? The tire weighs about 12-13 pounds according to my crude scale. Maybe putting it in a box and shipping it like a regular package would be alot cheaper than a 31 pound charge. Its not like it would require alot of internal bubble wrap or styrafoam or anything to keep it from getting damaged. Its not that big of a box. I've bought at least 6 Coker MC tires over the last 10-12 years and another 2 or 3 Cokers from eBay. No problem receiving them in a box.As for your web site,well maybe its just me. I don't know. Its not a problem anymore. I ordered from another supplier. Thanks, -Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickM Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Good morning guys. My name is Patrick and I am the Webmaster at Coker Tire. As Jess said - the tires to ship at 31lbs because they are an oversized and an "odd shaped object like a tire or a bucket" they require additional handling fees from FedEx. If you buy these in a pair, we do bundle them and round the shipping in your favor. As far as putting them in a box would go, that might eliminate the charge of having an odd shaped object, but would only increase the cost as we would have to make boxes, and then have someone box them before they are shipped.We do only have one person that handles the web inquiries, and orders and I am it. If there is something you are having problems with, or something you don't like about our website, please let me know and we will see what it takes to fix it. I do not have any messages from anyone about any web inquiries or I would have happily called you back. You can always reach me directly at 1-800-251-6336 ext 254, or to patrickm@coker.com and I would be glad to help you with any questions or concerns you would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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