The holy grail of carbs?

[Guest]

At least what I consider to be the holy grail.  1920's barrel Winfield downdraft in it's current configuration.  The body can be rotated to run as a side or updraft.

[motoringicons]

Yup, that is a GREAT carburetor.Hard to find and very FAST!!!!!

[Peter R.]

For sure hard to find…. but it is still a Winfield….🙂🫢

[carbking]

Scarce, yes.

 

Holy grail? I guess one could consider it to be if one was looking for one, and nothing else.

 

As a carburetor person, it wouldn't be very close to the top of my list.

 

Jon

[Layden B]

Yes a Winfield N is usually thought of as a racing carb but here is part of the Winfield carburetor catalog application list!

[sagefinds]

On 8/10/2023 at 1:25 PM, carbking said:

Scarce, yes.

 

Holy grail? I guess one could consider it to be if one was looking for one, and nothing else.

 

As a carburetor person, it wouldn't be very close to the top of my list.

 

Jon

Jon,

  Which one is at the top of your list? Or maybe the top five?

Steve

[carbking]

13 hours ago, sagefinds said:

Jon,

  Which one is at the top of your list? Or maybe the top five?

Steve

From a monetary standpoint ONLY:

 

(1) Stromberg UU-3 (Duesenberg) genuine, not repro

(2) Stromberg EE-3 (Duesenberg)

(3) Rochester 7029273 1969 Pontiac RAIV GENUINE, NOT A RESTAMP!

(4) Rochester 7041273 1971 Pontiac 455 HO

(5) Packard 734 Detroit Lubricator genuine, not repro

 

It was difficult limiting my list to 20 (the other thread); top one, or even top 5 required some consideration.

 

ANY of these 5 would easily sell themselves, either advertised in the proper place, or with a single telephone call.

 

And if someone has one of the above, at my age I am NOT a buyer.

 

Of the above:

 

I have never had a complete UU-3, but still have about 1/2 of one.

I have never owned the Duesenberg EE-3; but have restored 2

I had, and sold 4 of the 7029273, and 3 of the 7041273

I have never had a complete Packard 734 carb; but had, and still have, parts.

 

Jon

[alsancle]

21 minutes ago, carbking said:

From a monetary standpoint ONLY:

 

(1) Stromberg UU-3 (Duesenberg) genuine, not repro

(2) Stromberg EE-3 (Duesenberg)

(3) Rochester 7029273 1969 Pontiac RAIV GENUINE, NOT A RESTAMP!

(4) Rochester 7041273 1971 Pontiac 455 HO

(5) Packard 734 Detroit Lubricator genuine, not repro

 

It was difficult limiting my list to 20 (the other thread); top one, or even top 5 required some consideration.

 

ANY of these 5 would easily sell themselves, either advertised in the proper place, or with a single telephone call.

 

And if someone has one of the above, at my age I am NOT a buyer.

 

Of the above:

 

I have never had a complete UU-3, but still have about 1/2 of one.

I have never owned the Duesenberg EE-3; but have restored 2

I had, and sold 4 of the 7029273, and 3 of the 7041273

I have never had a complete Packard 734 carb; but had, and still have, parts.

 

Jon

 

Thanks for mentioning the UU-3.  My dad sold one 30 years ago for 5K.  

[sagefinds]

On 8/22/2023 at 10:31 AM, carbking said:

From a monetary standpoint ONLY:

 

(1) Stromberg UU-3 (Duesenberg) genuine, not repro

(2) Stromberg EE-3 (Duesenberg)

(3) Rochester 7029273 1969 Pontiac RAIV GENUINE, NOT A RESTAMP!

(4) Rochester 7041273 1971 Pontiac 455 HO

(5) Packard 734 Detroit Lubricator genuine, not repro

 

It was difficult limiting my list to 20 (the other thread); top one, or even top 5 required some consideration.

 

ANY of these 5 would easily sell themselves, either advertised in the proper place, or with a single telephone call.

 

And if someone has one of the above, at my age I am NOT a buyer.

 

Of the above:

 

I have never had a complete UU-3, but still have about 1/2 of one.

I have never owned the Duesenberg EE-3; but have restored 2

I had, and sold 4 of the 7029273, and 3 of the 7041273

I have never had a complete Packard 734 carb; but had, and still have, parts.

 

Jon

Jon,

  Thanks for the reply,I lost track of this post for a while. Look at this oddball I just picked up. It's a doodlebug that someone started to make out of a 1939 or 40 Chevy cabover. Why??? You'd have to sit on a barstool to steer the thing. Anyway it's got an aluminum case Carter BB-1 that so many guys out here use on their brass era cars. This one will end up on my 13 Cadillac with a drop-down spacer should the day arrive that I get the thing together. I haven't heard you mention anything about the BB-1.

Best,Steve 

 

[carbking]

The Carter type BB-1 is not rare, but they do sell well, as it is an excellent updraft carburetor.

 

There were 68 different BB-1 carbs, of which the following are "universal" replacements: 245s, 245sd, BB1A, BB1D, 289s, and 289sd.

 

These six are fully adjustable.

 

The others have a fixed metering jet.

 

The success folks have using them as aftermarket on earlier cars is mixed, basically due to the applicability (internal size) and adjustability (using one of the universals) of the application.

 

Some vendors would have you believe their Chevrolet DD carb (common number is 871sc) is THE VERY BEST for your vehicle, regardless of the vehicle. And it generally isn't.

 

Jon

[rydersclassics]

 

 

What do you think of the Rayfield Model G ?

 

 

[carbking]

Rayfield was one of the largest providers of early carburetors.

 

They, along with Stromberg and Zenith, had excellent documentation, parts availability, special tools, etc. for helping customers (or garages) support their carburetors.

 

They also spent a lot of money on advertising.

 

But they began to fade about 1919. After that date, documentation, etc. is almost non-existant.

 

Their carburetors were excessively complicated. A Stromberg or Zenith would provide the same or better performance and were more reliable.

 

Jon

[supercub]

I have a Rayfield for sale.