Very early motorcycle carburetor (Revised....New correct picture)

[JO BO]

This is a very early motorcycle carb I hope someone can name the maker of it. Tag states world record carb   “Record of what?” For small hps motors .

Edited January 13, 2022 by JO BO (see edit history)

[JACK M]

"Worlds Fastest Indian" just popped into my head.

I was just talking about that movie with a friend a couple of days ago.

[JO BO]

That would be exciting.......wish there was more info on the tag other than stating it was a world record setting carburetor. and for use on 5 hp engine 

 

but I guess that is better than nothing. gotta be some lit or story out there somewhere on this puppy

Edited January 13, 2022 by JO BO (see edit history)

[Gunsmoke]

Tag appears to read "Witt 5/hp? engine carburetor 25.00 ? Am I missing something? Is there something written on opposite side of tag? Here is a Witte Engine, circa 1920's I'm guessing and a Witte 5hp farm engine from 20's/30's,  not sure what they used for fuel supply.

Edited January 13, 2022 by Gunsmoke (see edit history)

[JO BO]

I looked at that carefully as I was confused also but I think the penmanship is poor and was meant to say use with 5 hp engines  " The word use was omitted though" I know Witte " the stationary engine. has the e on the end of it's name and others have told me this is indeed motorcycle......Maybe the guy writing the tag had no idea of what he had ......or maybe he did.......I hope we can solve this together.....Think this was picked up at swap meet/yard sales many years ago.Thanks for the replies so far.

Edited January 13, 2022 by JO BO (see edit history)

[Craig Gillingham]

I think it's supposed to be a White engine.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiCbLwmxf68

[Gunsmoke]

CG said "I think it's supposed to be a White engine."

Note tag on Witte Engine above.

[JO BO]

That's interesting....could be on the line of stationary engines instead.  thanks for the link

 

Oh My word......I feel like such a putz  I posted the wrong pictures

 

Here we go!!!!!

Edited January 17, 2022 by JO BO (see edit history)

[Gunsmoke]

We'll send you the invoice for our time! Now this carb does look Motorcycle, have never owned one so I'll let the experts chime in.

[1912Staver]

Yes, with the plating motorcycle is quite probable. But the question now would be O.E.M. or aftermarket ? It does look quite small, so probably a rather small engine. Could you post a similar picture with something like a tape measure tape near the carb to give us a sense of scale ? 

[carbking]

Motorcycles do not fit in my area of expertise, I have no idea what it is; however, note the English spelling of "carburetter" on the tag.

 

Jon.

[1912Staver]

If your carb is as small as I think it is, this is the sort of machine I would expect it to have been fitted to. A circa 1905 Motosacoche. These were quite popular, and a number of other makes made quite similar machines. Mostly a heavy duty bicycle , with a 200 C.C. engine.

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by 1912Staver (see edit history)

[Craig Gillingham]

JO BO, PM sent.

[JO BO]

Was suggested to me by another party that it may be Hercules or Merkel  1903/04  very interesting little carb. Wonder if it was fuel economy/speed/choice of application etc that made it a world record setter for it's time?

[TerryB]

Most likely speed or endurance.  Fuel economy came a lot later.  Just getting it to run was an accomplishment.

[Craig Gillingham]

When I first saw the motorcycle carburettor, it reminded me of something similar to an early Wagner single. I've been looking for photos of one, but I can't find a clear picture of a motorcycle fitted with this type of carburettor. I've found this photo of a 1909 Wagner, but it isn't very clear. Just about all the Wagners online seem to be fitted with the more common Schebler Model H carburettor, possibly because they are easier to find than an original Wagner caburettor. Looking at the photo of the subject carburettor, assuming it sat behind the cylinder and that the carburettor mounted vertically, then the cylinder on the motorcycle would have slanted forward. Also it would have been an inlet-over-exhaust with an atmospheric inlet, as you can see where the valve stem guide mount fits on the inlet manifold. The other thing is, the carburettor on the Wagner looks like it has an adjustment lever out the top. Does this carburettor also have a provision for an adjustment in the same location? I have a couple of other resources I can check out, and I'll continue searching. It may not be from a Wagner, and it maybe something totally different.