sligermachine Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) When I bought the 1925 Buick the guy said he would look for the manual's . here is one of them I just found a box at my machine shop full of stuff that got covered up some how in my office .I keep thinking man no 1925 manual,s but all of the other year's are covered ! For the other Buick's I have Edited April 30, 2018 by sligermachine out of order (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 the 33 pages are in good shape .will post more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) one more page 9: Edited May 1, 2018 by sligermachine new pic. (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROD W Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I didn,t realize the mailbox coils also incorporated the condenser/capacitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Manual for the 1916 & 1917 Buick 6 cylinder cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 did they have a starter generator with lift brushes also like the 1925 looks the same .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 on figure 1. it shows 2 slip clutches was this common arrangement on starter generators ? --Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 I would have put up more but the sight would not let me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROD W Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Kyle, The main difference between the earlier S/G pre 1921, and the later 22 - 25 is the orientation of the armature and commutators. The earlier had the commutators on the distributor side of the s/g, where as the later had the commutators at the back of the s/g ( much easier to get to ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 21 hours ago, ROD W said: mailbox coils the one I installed on the 1925 works purity good you can see it in the start up pictures . It was putting out a good blue spark 1/2 '' long that is how this manual says to cheek it :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Thanks! I will print this out an use it when I work on my E series starter. Is there a page 11?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 There was a DIFFERENT Starter/Generator unit used on the 1918 6-Cylinder models from what Kyle has posted here. Some of the intricate details changed. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said: There was a DIFFERENT Starter/Generator unit used on the 1918 6-Cylinder models from what Kyle has posted here. Some of the intricate details changed. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Thanks, I won't print it out then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 The page will not let me share it the rest of the manual --kyle been trying every night will not let me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 2:24 AM, ROD W said: I didn,t realize the mailbox coils also incorporated the condenser/capacitor I have a few like this but look in bad shape but found one to run my 1925 in the pile that worked nice blue spark . But will have to watch out some I have seen in the past the coil would get hot after some time and . AS HEAT GOES UP IN electricity SO DOES resistance so it stars not working Can't Change physics even if you want to --kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROD W Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 On 5/3/2018 at 2:17 PM, sligermachine said: I have a few like this but look in bad shape but found one to run my 1925 in the pile that worked nice blue spark . But will have to watch out some I have seen in the past the coil would get hot after some time These mailbox coils have the resistor at the front of the coil. The resistor limits the current flowing through the coil when the points are closed so the coil will not get too hot. In this coil, the resistor is broken and a external ballast resistor has been added. If a newer coil is used, ensure there is a ballast resistor in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I plan to use a modern 6 volt coil in my 1925 Buick. It sounds like I need to also have a ballast resistor. Any recommendations on a ballast resistor? Make and model would be helpful. Lots of 12 volt stuff out there and I want to get something appropriate for my 6 volt system. Thank you, Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) I have had a modern coil in my 1925 in 48 years without any ballast resistor,I also have modern coils on my other 1920 Buicks without ballast resistors. Leif in Sweden. Edited June 21, 2018 by Leif Holmberg (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_Heil Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) My very old Mallory coil on my 1923 died last year. Had a big porcelain top with a ballast resistor wound around it. When I replaced it with a modern 6V coil from the parts store near where it died, printed on the outside of the coil was "internal ballast resistor no external resistor required" So I just hooked it up and it has been fine. Most new coils will have printed on the outside 'external resistance required' to let you know whether or not you need the ballast resistor. And Leif is correct, you are just putting more voltage across the points and risk arching or burning them without the resistor which with the size of our points I would not be too worried about. Edited June 21, 2018 by Brian_Heil (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Leif and Brian, Thanks for the quick response. I just read my 6 volt coil, and it does say "no external resistor required". Original point sets are very expensive now, and I wanted them to last. Good to know that I don't have to buy and maintain another part. Hugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas1963 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 I have a 1919 H 45 touring. The brushes need replaced. What would you charge to photocopy that manual so I have something to go by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMicheletti Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 My '18 E-45 has been running for over 50 years on a 6 volt coil with no resistor. The original 6 V coil (missing on my car) did have a built in resistor. I think the need of a resistor depends on the coil used. With a modern 6 v coil you could go with no resistor However, in the past I have had several daily drivers that were 6 volt and none had resistors on the coil circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 chas1963, I bought the manual from Kyle to put into my extensive reference manuals collection. Since you have a 1919 model, this particular manual would not really help you all that much. I have a reference manual titled INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE CARE OF 1918, 1919, and 1920 DELCO SYSTEMS. This was published by The Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company, Dayton, Ohio U. S. A. It is 48 pages and if you would like, I could have this copied for you at a very reasonable charge. PM me if you are interested and we can go from there. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Here is a photo of the Delco manual that I was referring to. Terry Wiegand Out Doo Dah Way (where we are suffering from severe sunshine!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 If you make a copy for Chaz1963, I could use one too. I'm going to have mine rebuilt and I'm sure the guy could use it. "Day's Repair" in Kinderhook NY rebuilds all starters and generators at reasonable cost. That's all they do, repair starters and generators only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROD W Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Terry, I,ll get one also if you get some copied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Regarding the 1918, 1919, and 1920 Delco Manual - Here is what I am going to do. Because of the heighth and width size of this manual, it cannot be laid flat and get all of the material on both pages. So, that leaves only one alternative - scan one page at a time. I need to get our new printer, copier, scanner, and fax unit set up to do scanning. We need to get our IT guy over to get things going. Bear with me and I'll get this scanned and then I can send it to whomever wants it. This will be a lot quicker and definitely a lot more economical - as in free. I am glad to help anyone who is seeking technical information. Have a great 4th. Terry Wiegand Out Doo Dah Way 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I very much appreciate it, that's awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sligermachine Posted July 9, 2018 Author Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) . sorry I have not been here in a wile .-kyle Edited July 9, 2018 by sligermachine (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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