1920s gauge cluster, what is it?

[Leif Holmberg]

Anyone know what car this gauge cluster belongs to?

 

Leif in Sweden.

 

 

[Brass is Best]

Early 1920's Packard?

[Leif Holmberg]

Not a Packard of any year.

Leif in Sweden.

 

[1909schacht]

28 Buick looks close also

[Leif Holmberg]

No Buick of any year.Take a closer look and you will see it`s wrong make.
Leif in Sweden.

[javelinkid]

Late 20's Marmon?

[Leif Holmberg]

Not a Marmon gauge of any year.

Leif in Sweden.

[drwatson]

Should not be difficult, but these gauges are! (After scouring the internet) . Similarities to Buick & Chev but it does not seem to be them or their GM cousins.

As is often the case it looks like date codes on back of speedometer: "8-B-25", "9-B-25"  putting us at 1925 - 1926 ? It looks American made.

Too fancy for a truck, but i'll check.

 

[Leif Holmberg]

drwatson,I have spent houers to find out without any luck yet.I have had this type of "cluster" on this forum years ago too ,but no help at that time eather!

Leif in Sweden.

[studeboy]

The gauge cluster on the 1925 and 1926 studebakers were in an oval like that. They changed the setup several times and varied from model to model.

[keiser31]

Can you please take and post a photo of the whole dashboard?

[Leif Holmberg]

I have around 600 different gauge cluster on my computer,9 of them are Studebaker 1925-1929 ,non of them looks close to the one I`m asking about.

Leif in Sweden.

[Leif Holmberg]

keiser. This gauge was on E-bay a week ago,I dont have any more pictures! I have ask the seller to ask the buyer that to tell what it`s for, but it looks hard for a seller to ask this question.?

 

Leif in Sweden

Edited November 12, 2017 by Leif Holmberg (see edit history)

[keiser31]

Here is part of that set on Ebay....no identification, though....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ANTIQUE-OVAL-AUTO-4-1-2-x-3-AMP-METER-AND-OIL-PRESSURE-GAUGE-RATROD/152766716238?hash=item23919b194e:g:2roAAOSwZSFXJXR0&vxp=mtr

[Leif Holmberg]

Really sad John that they don`t know what car  it will fit.But I hope we will find it out soon?. Just my curiusity to know what it`s,and to help other people.

Leif in Sweden.

[studeboy]

I am still inclined to say they are what they call fifth design gothic gauges for the 1925-6 Standard six. My parts book lists these but has no illustration for this type of gauges. All were in an oval. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by studeboy (see edit history)

[keiser31]

Wasn't 1924 the last year for the Studebaker to have a switch/lever like the one on the item in question?

[Leif Holmberg]

This is 1924 and 1925 gauge cluster Studebaker.

"studeboy" just try "googling "Studebaker those years and you will see the oval shape are the same for several years but more or less gauges!

Leif in Sweden

[dictator27]

17 hours ago, studeboy said:

I am still inclined to say they are what they call fifth design gothic gauges for the 1925-6 Standard six. My parts book lists these but has no illustration for this type of gauges. All were in an oval. 

Gothic design gauges are not in an oval panel and weren't used until the Introduction of the GE Dictator.

[Leif Holmberg]

dictator27,you are saying 1925-6 Standard six.What make is it you meen? For me that`s Buick?

Leif in Sweden.

[studeboy]

Actually according to the Studebaker Standard six parts book they used gothic design instruments as a fifth design starting at car # 1,399,413. These are not the same gothic design gauges as used on the GE Studebaker. They are quite rare. Not saying the panel is but the oval shape is similar.

[Leif Holmberg]

How about pictures of the gothic designed instrument from your parts book? I have spent 2 houers on Studebaker dash gauges on the internet this morning and didn`t find anything other than the the ones similar to the earlier picture with the oval shape and rounded gauges.

Leif in Sweden.

[studeboy]

Sorry the took so long. I was away at a conference. Unfortunately there is no picture of the gothic design gauges just parts listings. I will attach the page to this post.

 

[Leif Holmberg]

Not easy to read ,but somebody "over there"probebly have a Studebaker with  those "gothic" gauges? after that # 1,399,413 serial number.

Studeboy I think you are a member of a Studebaker club? couldn`t you ask for a picture ?

A week ago  asked a Stude guy here in Sweden who owns a 1925 and 1926 but without luck so far.

Yesterday I spent another 2-3 houers to figure out what it`s,without any luck!

Leif in Sweden.

[dictator27]

Not a 5th design panel.  By the time it was introduced, the panel had a full set of gauges - oil, water, amp and gas.

First design (post 18 above) had 3 gauges - oil, amp and gas and was the only one with a clock (missing in post 18).  Panel face is silver and glass enclosed.

Second design is referred to as an "embossed" panel in the parts book and in "This is a Studebaker Year vol. 6".  It also has a gas gauge,  ammeter and oil pressure gauge.  It is oval but does appear to be the only one without a glass face.  As far as can be determined it was black.  Very rare.

The third design panel face is black, has oil amp and gas gauges and is glass enclosed.

Fourth design - the one in my 27 Dictator  - has four gauges with the addition of a temperature gauge.  Panel face is black and glass enclosed.  

The upshot of all this long windedness is the subject panel is not a Studebaker oval panel because it has no gas gauge and the panel face isn't black or silver.

 

Edited November 21, 2017 by dictator27 (see edit history)

[Peter P]

This is the rare, second version of the 1925 Studebaker dash panel. 

 

 

[dictator27]

As can be seen, the oval section is an actual stamped part of the dash board, hence the "embossed" description by Studebaker. It is very rare with only 97 Canadian assembled cars being equipped with it and about 2,000 US built cars. Why it was changed so quickly is anybody's guess, but I would suspect possibly production problems or maybe sales resistance?