Guest sullivan1 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 We are selling a 1927 Gardner Model 90 on a farm equipment auction in Rantoul, IL on June 7. Here is a link to the sale bill. http://sullivanauctioneers.com/auction/absolute-late-model-machinery-auction-3/ Thanks, Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 What he doesn't mention is that it's a roadster in nice condition, a Full Classic in the CCCA......someone will score an interesting, seldom seen, Classic car...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 It will need paint and looks to have been laying their a while so some mechanical TLC will also drive the price down. However with the amount of machinery he is probably smart to have an auctioneer who specializes in that rather than the car. What he will lose on the car he will more than make on the machinery. I wish I was their to bid on the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Interesting car, beautiful styling, attractive colors! I alerted a Gardner car enthusiast to tell him about the car. Here are a few questions for the auctioneer: The Model 90 had different styling--are you sure this is a Model 90? A Gardner had a different hood ornament--a griffin--from what this car has. From prior knowledge of this car--Is this particular example's engine from a Chrysler? It should be a Lycoming. And are those Gardner wheels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewar40 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 I have not seen this car in person, but do have a number of photos of the car. I'm the president of the Gardner Car Club. The car is a 1927 model 80 which came with a Lycoming GT engine 226 CID and has a 122" w/b. The '27 model 90 is a full Classic with the CCCA the model 80 is not a Classic. The car was restored in the 1960's and today has a Chrysler eight cyl engine. The original transmission was Warner and I don't know if this has the right one or not. The wheels look like 1930 wheels, most 80's came with wood wheels. The hood ornament should be a Griffin. I would like to see someone in the AACA buy this car, I just want him/her to have a good idea what it is. Attached are some of my photos. A club member does list a 1927 Gardner model 90 roadster for sale on my web site www.gardnermotorcars.com Maybe one will show up at the Made in St Louis Meet for Moon/Gardner/Dorris June 9-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, prewar40 said: I have not seen this car in person, but do have a number of photos of the car. I'm the president of the Gardner Car Club. The car is a 1927 model 80... Amazing how much expertise there is in the A.A.C.A.! Such knowledge will be very helpful to any interested purchasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ah, I trusted the printed information, and thought EVERYTHING was true on the Internet! Oh well, non-Classic it is! Good information as stated..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewar40 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Sorry about the oversized pictures. We often point out what is wrong and skip what is right with a car like this. To me the body looks very good, and it has some of the unique parts used by Gardner. Only one step plate is shown if the second one matches you have the two correct ones. The headlights are correct, the top and top supports near the rumble lid are correct. Instrument cluster and steering wheel are right. The horn button and spark, throttle, and light control probably function but are not Gardner. As for Classic; the high end Gardner became a Classic about 6 years ago, the mid-line Gardner a Classic about 2 years ago the entry level may one day become one as well?? It was an expensive car when new $1,495 FOB St. Louis - (this was the deluxe model). Trunk, trunk rack, dual side mounts and wire wheels all extra. As for the Lycoming GT engine it was used by Auburn, Elcar, Gardner and Roamer (maybe others). Just some information for anyone bringing their checkbook to the auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 This 1930, 8 Sport Phaeton has been for sale in the CCCA newsletter the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Yes, I've seen the '30 for sale, looks like a nice car. With the right colors that car could really be a stand out....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roj Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 If anyone is interested in the car, I am going to go to the auction, PM me and I will bid for you/ no charge and you just have to tell me how much you would want to bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Roj The wheels were shipped yesterday UPS Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Well, shucks, if you're going to buy it for me, sky's the limit! Seriously, that's a nice offer for someone interested in the car and unable to attend...any guesses as to value? Being non-classic, I'm thinking 20-25K if it runs? I really have no idea of Gardner values, just a WAG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 The swapped engine is a bit of an issue. I'll agree with you Dave that around 20k if it runs seems reasonable. The 1930 I posted has been for sale for 70k for a while, but that is the big engine, a full Classic and probably 1 of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, alsancle said: The swapped engine is a bit of an issue.... Evidently Gardner parts aren't the easiest to locate, even among Gardner experts. A wrong engine; unknown transmission; wrong wheels; wrong mascot; incorrect steering wheel controls; maybe not running; and a restoration 45 years old. The best buyer would be a dedicated Gardner man or woman who will get it operational, be dedicated to finding or reproducing the needed correct parts, and bring this mid-sized car back to glory! Edited May 17, 2016 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roj Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 2 hours ago, trimacar said: Well, shucks, if you're going to buy it for me, sky's the limit! Seriously, that's a nice offer for someone interested in the car and unable to attend...any guesses as to value? Being non-classic, I'm thinking 20-25K if it runs? I really have no idea of Gardner values, just a WAG... Not sure I can buy it for you, but I will help someone else buy it, I have enough with the Lexington and the 2 Buick's to keep me out of trouble, plus I'm looking at 4 more Lexington's to purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Now, if someone had a ratty Sedan to use as a donor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewar40 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) A couple of updates. The phaeton is sold and is probably on a ship right now. The correct engine does come up every once in a while but they are not common. If your goal is a #1 concours car it will be $$$. However if your goal is to repaint, fix a few things until you find the correct engine it could be a good car to start with. Think about bringing an unrestored car to level 3 and think about restoring this one to level 3. I'm not part of this sale, I just want someone who reads the AACA forum to put it in his garage. The auction house gave me a photo to post. I'll try to size this one right. If any one finds out the high bid please post it here. Edited May 17, 2016 by prewar40 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, prewar40 said: ...The phaeton is sold and is probably on a ship right now. ... Evidently, then, they sold it before the scheduled June 7 auction. (Is that acceptable, once an item is advertised, to an auctioneer's code of ethics?) And you wonder what the high bid was. How could there be an organized series of bids before the auction? Do you know what country it's going to? I hope a good home in a stable, civilized country. It should have been the next Gardner in your garage, Prewar40! Edited May 17, 2016 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewar40 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 The roadster is still going to the auction. It is the 1930 phaeton that was in the CCCA magazine that sold and is on its way to Switzerland. It went to someone related to the family that built these cars. This particular phaeton was one of the cars Gardner took to the New York auto show in Jan 1930, then to Chicago where it was sold. Low mileage and in a museum for years it was bought by Harrah and on display in Reno for many years. Not many cars can be documented from 1930 to today. ALSANCLE provided the picture of the phaeton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Just me trying to derail the thread. The phaeton was very very cool. The subject of this thread is interesting too and at the right price would be a great project for someone. Didn't Gardner use Continental engines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewar40 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Only one Gardner had a Continental engine - the 1930 Gardner Griffin a Front Wheel Drive car. They had talks with Archie Andrews about building the Ruxton and Andrews was to bing $$$ into the deal, Andrews did not come up with any money and Gardner went ahead and made their own FWD it only got as far as a prototype. The likely reason for this one time Continental engine was that it was something like 6 inches shorter than the Lycoming. Look at the design of the car and then think it was build in the fall of 1929! These may be the only color images. Any one know of a car built in 1929 with this type of grill? Besides Duesenberg. Edited May 18, 2016 by prewar40 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roj Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 14 hours ago, prewar40 said: A couple of updates. The phaeton is sold and is probably on a ship right now. The correct engine does come up every once in a while but they are not common. If your goal is a #1 concours car it will be $$$. However if your goal is to repaint, fix a few things until you find the correct engine it could be a good car to start with. Think about bringing an unrestored car to level 3 and think about restoring this one to level 3. I'm not part of this sale, I just want someone who reads the AACA forum to put it in his garage. The auction house gave me a photo to post. I'll try to size this one right. If any one finds out the high bid please post it here. I agree, I don't want to buy it, but I'm close to the auction and I would like to see it go to a forum member, versus it being a hot rod or go over seas. No offense to the Hot Rod group, it's a pretty nice rare car, not perfect by any means, but neither am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 The front wheel drive car does have a unique grill. Reminds me a bit of Auburn from the front but not from the sides. The car has an Ruxton/L29 sort of feel to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Maybe a bit of Brewster tossed into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean3326 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Need a left rear axle for 1927 Gardner 8BS42915 lycoming engine 4HM12298 Shaft is 32.25 long 6 splines length 2.31 OD 1.44 end thread 1.0 V200 cast into housing Columbia stamped on axle shaft Also need the left inner bearing Bock # 03520 and seals I understand Auburn Cord similar parts Call with any information 484-553-2042 Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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