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  1. The actress in the photo is Bessie Barriscale and she was the star of "Women go on forever". I have pictures of her in that car taken in March 1928 and the show was running at that time. I knew the car quickly but this question took 11 months.
  2. Thanks to all of you for letting me know what it is; you are right it is a door stop. After all anybody can see automobilia in a door stop.
  3. A friend of mine has this and I don't know how it was used or when it came out any ideas?
  4. Update on the host hotel - the meet chairman spoke with the host hotel on Friday evening (4/9) and they are sold out for our meet. The other hotels, both very close to the host hotel have rooms available - Microtel Inn & Suites - 1-507-354-9800 and the Econolodge - 1-507-359-2400.
  5. The host hotel for the Grand National - the Best Western Plus - told us today that they are filling up very quickly. If you haven't yet made your reservations and want to be at the host hotel, you should probably make your reservation soon. The phone number for the host hotel is 1-507-359-2941. We are looking forward to welcoming you to New Ulm in July.
  6. I was told about a week ago that the letters would be mailed "soon".
  7. Lycoming DXU was used by a number of cars. In 1919 Lycoming came out with the Model K, with the the same CID and no center bearing. I'll guess the engines are very similar. The model K was used until 1922, I have a good 7 page article on my web site: Gardner Motor Cars From the home page select Tech Aid & Tips.
  8. Old buicks 2 is right. This was used from 1920 to 1922. If you're ready to part with it send me a PM and does he have any other Gardner parts?
  9. I like the old logo better, but I think their new one should be 通用汽車
  10. What make and year used this rear axle? The wheels used two different style of spokes.
  11. Contact this vendor www.classicandexotic.com/index.htm Good luck it is not an easy set up to build.
  12. I wonder what the repair bill was for this 1923 Gardner sedan. It appears they painted the lower body a different color.
  13. I saw this on facebook and I know it is not a Gardner by the radiator shell and windshield. Note the golf door on the driver's side. My guess is about a 1925.
  14. The car is a 1928 model 95 Gardner. Changes for 1929 were balcranck bumpers replaced with double bar bumpers. Vents added to the cowl, and a different griffin radiator cap and sun visor. . When painted in one of the 50 color combinations it's a good looking car. Thanks for the picture
  15. In 2001 I read a blog entry from Ed Jacobowitz where he said he couldn't find information about the 1931 Gardner car. As a history buff I thought we had a page missing on that St. Louis automobile (the one with my last name). It was that blog entry that started me on Gardner history and it continues to this day. Ed was the Gardner expert then and I was his student. Over the years we would meet at Hershey and each of us would take the role of teacher and student. I started a web site to promote the marque but Ed was cold about an internet site, but when I started to find cars he didn't know about he came around. In 2008 he passed the Gardner Owners' Registry to me and made me the head of the club. Looking back that blog entry would lead to a number of Gardner cars getting back on the road - Thanks Ed
  16. Gardner used the Lycoming 2S engine in 1925, and the Lycoming 4S in 1926-1927. No member currently has an extra for sale. I do have an 8 page Lycoming Model S pamphlet on my web site. It does list some of the differences between 4SL & 4S. If you don't have one it has a fair amount of information. Direct link: http://gardnermotorcars.com/tech/Engines/Lycoming-S.pdf
  17. Gardner did use something close to yours but you can see they are different. Just an FYI
  18. Farmer finds Gardner Car buried in back yard. -- For Real A twist on this thread. In July 1950 farmer Clem Thompson found a 1920 Gardner touring car buried 9 feet deep. Clem was using a bulldozer to remove a stump. The car had 1921 plates and only 3,561 miles. When found Clem said the car was in good shape, even the paint was good, but missing tires. But when he got the car out of the hole with the bulldozer it was wrecked. The police located the man who owned it in 1921 and he admitted it was used to haul moonshine, his story of how it got buried was a little vague.
  19. I’d like to encourage any new web site for any marque, I believe the gardnermotorcars.com site has made a difference to that brand. I’ll send a PM and give you an idea of what I’ve learned over the years. But here’s a partial list of some of the benefits a web site can bring to the hobby. An owners’ registry was printed and we went from 65 known cars to 152. We located 4 parts cars that made a restoration possible. Cars were sold to members of AACA and kept original. Parts made by a machine shop were done in bulk and made available at a lower cost. Questions were answered, think of how many questions can be answered with a picture and the information from original lit. The owners registry is made available only to those that own a car. I do include contact information such as email and phone with their permission. This led to direct contact between members and mutual assistance with restorations. The Gardner car is much better known today than just a few years ago.
  20. We host the site for the Gardner Motor cars: www.gardnermotorcars.com.
  21. I keep the Gardner Owners' Registry and I know of 152 Gardner cars. I listed only those I have pictures of, but don't know where they are today. Since my listing I found one and added a couple more. Link to pictures page: MISSING
  22. IraT asks good questions, (What's the layout for this small factory? What machines do they have? In what order is each car assembled? What tools are used to assemble the cars?) I wish I had a lot of good answers. It's not for lack of effort, not much was published about the Gardner Motor Company factory. But I'll give you an idea of how the factory progressed and how it started. Gardner started by building buggies in 1892 and moved to St Louis in 1897 where he built a large factory. In 1915 he invested $1,000,000 to upgrade the plant in order to assemble Chevrolets. Much of the money spent was for equipment, he would also build the bodies which required a lot of wood in those days. I don't know if he had a hydraulic press for the body parts or if that was shipped to him from Flint. In late 1919 he was building Gardner cars, with the parts shipped in from various suppliers. He had his own engineers that required many of the suppliers to provide parts under a Gardner design. An example is Lycoming engines were different in Gardner than what Lycoming supplied to other car manufacturers. The factory did have an assembly line which was 'L' shaped. The paint and upholstery shop were separate from the factory. There were a number of quality inspections during production, and testing of both the engine and a test run of the car. From a photo of Central Manufacturing they built the body and the body wood and sent the body ready to be painted and then installed. In 1922 they had 510 employees and built 9,000 cars, for 1928 about 3,500 cars and I don't have an employee count for that year. I do have some articles I'll send you about the factory. The factory photo is from 1928, placed next to the river and rail lines to make shipping more economical; in fact that was the reason to move to St. Louis in 1897.
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