Guest cardinal905 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Looking at all that rust makes me wanna dig into my 42 sedan, I cant wait but need to get back on my Maxwell this winter or I may never do it---LOVE BUICKS TOO MUCH NOW ! Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted September 21, 2008 Author Share Posted September 21, 2008 I had the whole day to work on the car...for once.I started by welding in a patch in the passenger side floor. It turned out ok, but I quickly found out I'll have to cut out a lot more to get to good metal. I kept burning through the existing stuff. I gave up and started over after a couple hours of fighting it.I took the doors off after I figured out my basement storage situation. Everything on this car is just so bulky...I need a lot of room to store all the parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 I just realized that CARS carries the floor pan sections. Has anyone used these, and how much of the floor do they cover? (I'll ask this on the 58 forum, too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassesguy Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Adam:How about classicfabrication.com? They make a number of floor pans for Buicks and other makes and they do list 1958.Keep those pics coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 Dave, do you know if this is the same outfit that is selling the floor pans on ebay?I took my door panels and all the other interior stuff (sans seats) to a friend this afternoon to see what he could do for me. It sounds like he'll be able to get everything done the way it needs to be...at a very reasonable price, too. He's also a member of this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassesguy Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Adam: Don't know for sure. Can you direct me to a site? I assume you've been to Classic Fabrication's website. I seem to recall postings on the Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 This auction:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FRONT-FLO...emZ130258288871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassesguy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Adam: I'm not convinced it is the same. One is in Detroit, the other is in South Carolina. Lots of the parts appear to be the same, though. Hope someone else knows for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Adam,I have used the Classic Fabrications product for floors in the 1950 Buick. Very happy with them and sure easier then making your own.http://www.classicfabrication.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 Thanks guys! Looks like I'll be getting a few floor panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 This rust issue is starting to get to me here. When do you draw the line and just part something like this out?I could easily make my money back on it if I parted it...but I'm trying to reason to myself that this is a keeper. Factory AC is a pretty rare option...and it's a Limited.Check out what I found under the rocker trim today...(drivers side here, the passenger side is almost as bad) Here is the trunk opening rail...it's like this all the way across the edge. The underside of the lid is completely gone, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Thriller Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I don't know what the answer to the question is Adam...I haven't yet purchased a car that was too far gone in my mind. Then again, repairing rust takes a good body guy, time and money...with sufficient quantities of either or both, it can be repaired.There are folks who told me my Wildcat was too far gone in the rust department...the body work cost me a lot, but so far so good.Besides, what would you entertain us with if you parted out this car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_65gs76limited Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Cut your losses and get out now!Part it and recoupe what you have in it.The car is rare yes but it's a money pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 That's pretty nasty. But as long as it is structurally sound it is worth it (this is coming from one who has restored worse ), and as long as the passion for that particular model is there.Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The answer to your question lies in E bay. Check out what the bids are on the few 58's. Then estimate what it takes to bring your car to the point you can sleep at night if you sold it for that much. Depending on your initial investment the answer may be clear.BTW, I see Desert Valley Auto Parts has a few 58's around. Unsure how much you could find from them but it looks like some cars were dropped off almost complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 I'm gonna have to sleep on this...for a few weeks.I know I can get the metal work done if I'm patient. That's all it's going to take for me, really.At this point, I just see a big rusted hulk, and not much direction. It does help that I was able to get Crin to do my interior. That should turn out nice. Definitely a step in the right direction. The fact that it still runs and drives makes me feel better, too:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Stoneberg Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Adam,What else do you have to do this winter ? Seriously though, if the frame and guts of the car are good I would continue down the road you are on. Yes, you can part it out or sell it but then you are just going to have to find a new "something" to work on. And that "something" may be worse. At least with this you know what you have already.Inspiration may be lacking and I understand that when you get a big job ahead of you. Find a Picture of a 58 all done and hang it in your garage. Keep looking at it and thinking about that. Check out Willies (Old Tank's) restoration of his 55 Century convertible. Drive your other cars and imagine yourself in that 58. Buy parts for it on Ebay. Restore something small and make it pretty so you get a sense of accomplisment. Do something on another car, if your really get sick of this one.These are some of the tricks I have used over the years to help me keep inspired in the long run. Hope this helps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 If you really love the car and are planning on keeping it and can afford to restore it, I say "DO IT"! If you are fixing up to resell, I say "STOP NOW"! You will probably never recoup the money if reselling, but if you love the car enough to labor that much on it and want to keep it, it will always be worth it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 Looks like I'll keep pushing forward...thanks for the thoughts, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZondaC12 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Though it's a different color.....I like this one. You could take this same picture! Mmmm I love 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 I couldn't get any further away from the rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serb Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Adam,As Bill said, I think you should hang both of these pictures in your garage to look at "what could be" or "What will be".Good luck buddy and keep plugging.Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZondaC12 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Yup she's gonna be a beeeeeeeaaaaauuuuuuuuut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 This is insane:I thought the asking price on this was stupid, but someone bid on it!! Good thing mine are in good shape. eBay Linkie This is the exact color combo the car should be: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 OMG! Why can't I find stuff like that to sell?BTW, those backup lights are way cool. can't say I've ever seen them in this location before. They almost make the entire car worth doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serb Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Super, Roadmaster and Limited had the back up lights in the bumpers, the Special and Century had them at the bottom of the tail lights.The Super, Roadmaster and Limited had the same reverse piller at the back for the two door coupes and the four door hardtops.Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 13, 2008 Author Share Posted October 13, 2008 Couple little things today..I (my upholsterer) got fabric samples back from SMS for the interior....everything is exactly correct. Totally floored me to see those swatches of factory fabrics. So, we're off to the races there. Kinda workin' backwards with getting the interior done first but I'm in really good hands with that part.I tackled another section of floor under the rear seat. This is probably one of the most difficult spots on the floor (minus the front where the body mounts are)It was tough to get that curve right. (you can see where it doesn't exactly match toward the center of the floor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest my3buicks Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 One step at a time Adam, the journey has begun. In your hands someday the car will once again be the envy of anyone that looks at her, just like when she was new. She was 2nd to none when she was new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 One step at a time, for sure. This is definitely not something I'll be shooting for CO next Summer. I can say that my welds are looking better. I made a small patch tonight close by the last one, and I worked a little more with wire speed, and found a sweet spot. I didn't have to reweld any holes I missed the first time on this one. I just have to find a chrome guy to buddy up to........hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BJM Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I wondered if you could weld. Welders have my full respect and admiration, because any car can be restored if you can weld. Otherwise, you are at someone elses mercy and that's a bad thing. Now that that question is answered, then you should continue. As for value, I think you are putting in what we call sweat equity (homes/cars) so you should come out OK. You and most of us restore for the interest in the process, as a hobby - it's not a business so I would say keep going. Especially since you have a nice car to drive. It's tough when your only ride is under the knife (so to speak) for years and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest my3buicks Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Adam, email me direct and I will give you the contact info for a fellow I know that specializes in 58's, especially the Limited's. Dig deep in your pockets for the chrome bill, it will more than likely be more than the total value of the car when finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serb Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 My father had a 1958 Roadmaster 75 2 door coupe. The middle part of the back bumper was stainless. I have seen many that were redone as chrome....wrong. The gas door cover was chrome. It never did look right but that is the way it was. I may be wrong but I was old enough to remember since I learned to drive with that car and I was the one waxing it every week.Check it out before you chrome it.Stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BJM Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Yes who says it has be done in 2 yars or whatever time frame. Chew on it, restore it over several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 I've pretty much had it in my head that this will be a 5+ year project. I just have absolutely no patience We're shipping the upper door panels to SMS this week to have them made. Crin is doing the rest of the interior...even tackling the dash pad! I may end up sending that to SMS, too, after we put our hands on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Dug in deep today...lots of cursing and breaking bolts. If I break more than 5 bolts in a day, I must be making progress Front clip came off today... Ugh...both sides are like this. I think I can repair this pretty easily, though. I have always wondered why these cars didn't have much for a wheel house. The biggest reason for the rust in the photo above is for that reason alone! Look at the crapola built up on the headlight housing! Ta daaaa! Only took me 4 hours. Parts is parts.. These are the broken fasteners I could actually find in the piles of dirt and rust under the car. This is all from today. I know I broke more than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD1956 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 4 Hours? Hmmmm same amount of time it took me to compound and polish 85% of that 78 Estate Wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 After some more thought, I have tentatively decided to give this car a frame-off job. All I have to do is store the Centurion at my warehouse at work, and I'll have the garage open. If I need extra room after the body comes off, it will go in the backyard behind the garage.Let the games begin!BTW, I ordered outer rockers from the "Rocker King" in WI. I will be getting the necessary floor pans from Classic Fabrication. Both sources are significantly cheaper than the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hood came off today...Can you believe I had to cut off the freakin' hood bolts?? I can't catch a break with these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 I took another rust/dirt bath tonight getting the rear bumper off. All 4 bolts promptly twisted right in half.What a mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smartin Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 I've been just disassembling things one piece at a time, bagging and photographing everything...I decided to grab the cutoff wheel and welder this afternoon..This was one of the areas I was concerned about being able to fix myself:With some patience and a couple hours, it's done!I took care of another hole that was about 2" wide on the top of the rocker where the sill plate goes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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