Bob McAnlis

Looks like a Marmon Model 34. They were larger cars, but I think the people in the picture were a bit vertically challanged themselves.

I think this is a Haynes 4 pass Tourister of about 21 or 22. Tough to tell. Bob McAnlis

Could be Chalmers or Chalmers Detroit 40 hp Runabout from 1909 or 1910. Bob McAnlis

Definitely Cadillac. All steering wheel levers, horn button, fat man wheel, rear end, rear of frame with spare tire bracket mounts, and cross spring match my 17 Cadillac. Bob McAnlis

Well, the roadster appearrs to be a custom Rolls Royce, and the laundulet appears to be a Sizaire Freres. The Sizaire featured all wheel independent suspension.

www.antiquespeedometer.com is the link you need.

Wheels are 25". Very early in the Model 55s, they had 27", but were to 25" by middle of Model year.

Attached is the six photo "photo" of the 17 Cadillac Model 55 Roadster I restored in the 80/90s and had at Hershey in 94 for first time out. I believe it still resides now in Chicago area. Thanks Bob McAnlis

Ivan: I agree with you on the wire wheels. I did not see the pins coming through from the hub. My car carried 120mm Rudge wheels from the factory. ( I had a copy from the build sheet ledger). Now, to some other points discussed. The fenders are specific to model 55 and the splash aprons are all stock. The upholstry was ribbed in my car. And the headlights and side light rims are round on the outside, but carry the Cadillac crestover the full size of the rim. The outsides were painted black, and the nickel would show through on the crest. I'll try to post a photo separately, but the only one I can find at the moment is a compilation of six together. Cadillac standard colors were a dark blue with black fenders, etc. Almost not discernable in black and white photos. However, on the ledger build sheet, they did do special colors. In the fifty or so visable on the build sheet I had, I saw a couple of reds, maroons, and one with a specific paint number cobalt blue. My car originally came through with the Rudge wheels in black, standard blue body, and a special tan top and side curtains. Bob McAnlis

This is a 1917 Cadillac Model 55 Phaeton with Rudge whitworth wire wheels. I restored a Cloverleaf Roadster Model 55 with the same Rudge wheels. Bob McAnlis

Joe: I bet if you have a piece of brass round stock larger than the hubcap, and a lathe, you could find that hubcap hiding inside the brass stock. Hope all is well. Bob McAnlis

I believe if the serial number plate is still on the firewall, that the plate will ID the model number also. Then you can cross reference the standard catalog by Kimes that will give the model number identification. Bob McAnlis

This is a 1909 (maybe 08) Pierce Arrow. Probably an early Model 48. Bob McAnlis Chagrin Falls, OH

Ron: The picture in the Conde book is not the one I remembered. I will keep looking. I have a lot of references. Bob McAnlis

Okay guys, and to Restorer32, sorry for being a crab. I was very active in Judging early on, but have not been for the last 10 or 12 years, due to having to judge newer and newer cars. My real interest is brass, but it extends up to mid 20's, and early 30's. In Ron's last post above, he makes the point that I have the real issue about. Original factory information on most early cars does not exist, and to be bound by what THE FACTORY authorizes is a decision that does not work. It works great for 50s to 80s, but not early on. I am restoring a car now for which an original salesman's handbook (1912) was found by me in the the remains of the factory archives in a locked area of a historical library. It contains option prices for different lamps, winsdhields, horns, speedometers, options for trip in brass, gunmetal, or nickel, or painted over. That is a very rare piece. It also mentions an "allowance for cars delivered without lamp equipment". Most makes, other than GM or Ford models dont have anything like this. The documentation that does exist are period photos of cars on the street, or if lucky, cars at dealerships, or the original sales info. If an owner would present to me original photos showing these lights on the Kissel, or a period trunk, I would accept them and and judge them for the quality of restoration. Based on other discussion above, my logic would be that one dealer had the cars delivered with a light deduct, and then sold the cars with the E&Js. By the way, I think in a book by John Conde on Cars and the Stars, or some similar title, there is one or more photos of a Kissel like this carrying these lights. I am travelling and will have to verify that when I am home. In any case, one rule does not fit all makes. That is a difficult position to present in the judging manual and I feel for AACA in that regard. So anyway, sorry to be on a bit of a soapbox. The Kissel is a GREAT car, and I am sure the work of Restorer 32 is beautiful. I just flipped on the textbook response. Bob McAnlis

Restorer32: Are you a judge yourself, or a know it all? This vintage does not seem to be your specialty. Please stick to your own area of expertise. Bob McAnlis Chagrin Falls, OH AACA Chief Judge Grand National Dayton OH 1994

Okay guys. Where the heck is the photo gallery. It is not on the front index anywhere.

Charlie: Without knowing the size, It is difficult to tell. But if small, could be a Brush. Later one with steel shell. Ask Paul Schaeffer in Valley City. Bob McAnlis

Series 19. This Cadillac Radiator is specific to Model 53, 1916 Cadillac. Bob McAnlis Chagrin Falls, OH

Series 19. This Cadillac Radiator is specific to Model 53, 1916 Cadillac. Bob McAnlis Chagrin Falls, OH

I have used West Systems and it is excellent. But I have used it mostly for sealing wood. For Structural purposes, I recommend Kwik Poly. (http://www.kwikpolyllc.com/). This material is fantastic. When mixed, it will soak into the dry or fire damaged wood just like water. THen it will harden to a material that can be drilled and tapped. I have some car friends that refer to Kwik Poly as "Magic SH_T". Try it, you will like it. Start out with their quart kit.

Last year, there was an early 20s Hudson Super Six Limo. on Ebay. It had all sorts of devices for heat, fans, mirrors , etc. But it also had a retractible urinal, nickel plated that would pull up from the floor like a 20's cigar lighter. Urinal discharged straight to the ground. Times have changed... Bob McAnlis Ohio

The full and low is for the oil level. There is a fload with wire that comes up into this gage, (if it is still in there. We put an aspirin tablet on the top of it and it stayed for years and years. The free wheeling position in each of 2 and 3rd is about 90 % "in". If you shift without using the knob, it will go into freewheeling gear and stop. But to get it all the way in non freewheeling, you must depress the knob and pull it back (3rd) a bit further. WHat does it say numberwise on the firewal dashplate?

The 31 Lincolns have two horns. A beep and an ugahhh. The button does have a left and right as you have already found out. Both horns mount up fron, one under each headlight. The side mounts were optional, but more cars existing today have the sidemounts. You will also find that a 31 Lincoln has free wheeling in 2nd and 3rd gear. the button on the shifet knob must be depressed to engage non free wheeling 2 and 3rd. If not engaged, the engine will not hold you back when you lift up on the accelerator. Also, it is commmon for these Lincolns to have added a glass bowl fuel filter in the gas line, but DO NOT put this immediately in the line at the carberator. We had a pipe nipple crack and drop gas onto the manifolds and had a small fire. Fire extingusher took care of it, but there was blistered paint on the hood. Careful not to lay the hood all the way over. There are some prop brackets in there that like to push on the bottom of some of the louvers and break them off at the bottom. OUr car is a Model 207B and is a factory Limo body with sidemounts. I remember a light colored Willoughby bodied Limo that was partialy apart 20 years ago in Chigaco. I dont remember about the side mounts though. Bob McAnlis Ohio

This car is a 1911 or 12 Locomobile Model 30 Toy Tonneau. The lights are factoy 12 Loco lights that came out sometime in 1911. I have photos of 1911 Locos with these lights installed at the factory. I am restoring a 1911 Loco 48 torpedo. Bob McAnlis