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Sorry guys, I'm a sucker for the ole Graham Brothers with Dodge Brothers drive components And this one has some key historical parts on it to prove the year and model for anyone who may stumble on it later. The lettering is astounding!

And this is the building across the street from the last photo. Then and now. The photography was better back then (even with all the high tech advancements).

Was looking at some period photos online while I noticed this car sitting parked on the street and thought of this thread. Kind of cool to see in a vintage photo. Here's the rest of the photo

Ok, I have no idea what either of these are and hoping to learn something new. Anyone have an id on the roadster? Bonus points if anyone can id the thing above the license plate.

440 Belvedere hasn't visited this website since 2020 shortly after he posted. You may try quoting his post (like I've done with yours) and he may get a email notification that someone is trying to reach out to him, otherwise he will probably never see your question. Good luck

By the way, it would help narrow it down if someone wants to go through a process of elimination from the list of possible builders to see if they find anything new. Woody Wagons, Woodies, Woodys, Suburban, Station Wagons, Depot Hack, Delivery, Suburbans, Wood Wagon, Builders, Body, Wood Station Wagon, Chrysler, Town & Country, CoachBuilt.com

Regarding the Suburban/Woodie/Depot at the AACA museum (can't forget the term "Depot Hack" is also sometimes used). IF the woodwork was duplicated from original pieces found with the Suburban, then it's possible that it could be a Hoover body build and not a Cantrell. When comparing it to this Hoover Suburban ad I found recently note the hinges, the hand rails (I don't recall seeing those on Cantrells), and the slates all run horizontal with vertical outer trim in the right places (or very close anyway). The handrails are in the wrong location but it makes me question why these were added to the one at the AACA? Did they find something with the original wood scraps that gave them the impression it had handrails? Only compare the wood bodies, the wheel differences are irrelevant. If anyone has run across any confidential bulletins from the Dodge Brothers Club website that mentions Hoover during this era, now would be a good time to post your findings. I'm not saying the Suburban at the AACA is a Hoover, only bringing up some documents in hopes of properly identifying it someday. It's something valid to consider in my opinion. See another photo of the same vehicle on coachbuilt.com Hoover Body Company, Hoover Wagon Co., George W. Hoover & Sons, Hoover Truck, bus, Stelkote, buses, woody - CoachBuilt.com

I seen it and pause while my wife was like "omg here we go with pausing for the old cars", and my daughter watched the series with her husband and sent me a text message of the dealership so it's cool that it's getting noticed. I agree, a topic for Museum DBs and GBs is long overdue. I haven't seen any Suburbans or Estate Cars at museums (yet). I have seen some tourings, trucks and screensides

@TexRiv_63 any updates on more found? I've always found hubcaps interesting, but you guys are obviously much more educated than most of us on this topic. Thank you TexRiv_63, @Walt G and @Jim Mead for your contributions and feedback. I for one appreciate it as I read in amazment of the knowledge you gentlemen must have of the history. Dave

Can you please measure the outside of the threads on the axle to tell us what you come up with? I have some caps that I'll look at to see if they work once I get that OD.

A buddy of mine had always wanted an authentic one of those so we all pitched on Daliela for him. I've never seen her on his dash to this point....

I've had time to research due to a recent surgery so I've been able to dig into thousands of period publications via digital libraries but have only accomplished exhaustion. Since the project was so hidden I may be digging in the wrong hole... That part of the SIA interview (blue and maroon bodies) stood out to me also. I'm hopeful someone gets lucky and uncovers one in our lifetime. I'm sure most of us are equally hopeful anyway.

Found this on Coachbuilt.com a while back and forgot to post it. Thought you guys might want to see it. Surely someone in the club or on this forum owns her? (Where oh where are you now little lady?) H.H. Babcock Body Co., H.H. Babcock Carriage Co., H.H. Babcock & Sons, Henry H. Babcock - Coachbuilt.com

I would respectuflly submit a different take in a technical sense than Doug has in hopes that these types of post will help clear things up a bit. Suburban was often referred to as a Depot or even Suburban Depots (also referred to woodies over the years). The label "Suburban" came from the frequent train station visits or group outings into town. Some on the internet have incorrectly mislabelled them "Estate Woodies", and often times a Suburban a Estate Car or Station Wagon. Although in theory a Suburban does have a Station Wagon feel, it isn't the proper term and is mixing the definitions which add to the confusion. Both the Suburban and the Estate Bodies are sometimes referred to as Depot which surely helps to add even further confusion. JT Cantrell was the best known builder for building these Suburbans for Dodge Brothers. However the "Estate Body" (also called a Station Wagon) were made with metal sides and sometimes had small handrails or cane work at the top of the doors and panels. Both types (Suburban and Estate) sometimes used the tailgate with hooks, but tailgates are rare on a Estate car. If you have no life (like me) and dig a lot deeper you'll find the term "Estate car" was mostly used in England while us Americans began using the term Station Wagons. H.H. Babcock was a builder that used the name Estate Car or "Estate Body". They were a prominent builder of this design for the Dodge Brothers. It should be noted that the Babcock name is of English origin. Hoover were obviously another one of those special body builders at this time who built Estate Bodies for Dodge Brothers. Notice the iron top supports, door handles and other differences between the two builders....? Here's an Estate Car referred to as "Estate Depot" making it quite a soup of mixed terminology. I agree Leno should have one of each on his show, if anything to show the public the diversity of the bodies that were available at that time. And with names like Dodge Brothers, Babcock and Cantrell these are some very prominent names that deserve to be recognized. Interestingly, Ford labelled some of their early Suburbans as Station Wagons which helps explain some of the confusion

@carbking your work on carb research has been incredible to watch over the few short years I've been following. I can't begin to imagine how many hours and funds you've put into it for the benefit of so many across the globe. Never underestimate the impact you are making in other peoples lives. Your work is much appreciated. Dave

Check eBay frequently as recommended above or post a ad in the "Parts Wanted" section of the forums. Click on the link below. Good luck Parts Wanted - Antique Automobile Club of America - Discussion Forums (aaca.org) Also check the "Parts For Sale" section of the forums daily, never know when someone might have one.

Guys, this is so easy to fix if you just try it a few times. Simply right click on your upside down image and copy. Then go to Paint (on every computer) and paste. Then rotate 90 degrees right twice. Then using the snippet tool (again, on every modern PC) select new and highlight the photo and copy. Then return to your post on AACA forums and paste. It literally takes about 5 seconds once you do it a few times.

As consumers, I think this is a great question for all of us to consider. Us on this forum? I doubt it. I believe most of us do our homework based on facts through objective research not subjective or influenced by anyone with an agenda. If we uncover agendas I'd like to think most of us will be strong minded enough to make a decision on truth and principle based on facts and not by an outside source trying to manipulate our thinking in order to get in our pockets or turn us away from a product. I believe your question is more appropriately including the entire population as consumers? In that case I'd say probably more than ever! With many consumers so willing to openly give reviews and ratings on every product known to man, everything from rubber bands to high tech devices, I believe it proves how any advocate with an agenda regarding any consumer product can effect the publics perception throughout history, especially in todays world with such a progressive leaning support structure in place to further such an agenda, IF they so choose to at any given moment. Getting back on topic: I think that's why Littlestown Mikes comments are key. Although as Rusty properly points out, their were many consumer advocates (politcal figures who were guarded in pushing the envelope) in the decade prior to Ralph, he was the first figure that the 1960s (and later 70s, 80s, etc) progressives welcomed with open arms and one who was willing to push the envelope. Once that pulpit was handed to him and the effects were witnessed by all, his acceptance (and many others later on) were further advanced. So yes, one could argue (as Mike has) that he actually opened that door for a anti-capitalistic thinking that can critique any product in order to have an influence in either building up a product, or to taking it down (with or without factual studies). The evidence for this is profound in our world today via advertising of any type of merchandise. One could argue that things haven't really changed all that much since Nader first knocked down that door, so your question of influence regarding ratings via advertising or studies is easily recognized is it not? Based on how many of those seven vehicles you listed are on the road, I'd say a pretty large portion of consumers are being influenced. It might be a coincidence, but I doubt it. His thesis may have been dismissed over time, but the alarmist tactics still abound and have had great success since then. Currently the game is played out in realtime before our eyes on many levels. Simply present the story as fact, then once found out it's a simple apology from that "Professional" organization. As I said, not much has changed... On the other hand the glorification of a product (or study of a product) is undeniably very successful in the marketing world whether or not they are based on facts (unfortunately).