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Overlands radiator badge was two colors instead of the all white stoddard dayton badge. There was one other make of car that used that style of radiator cap though I believe.

If you're looking for Stanweld metal felloes I have four 26" and I believe I have two more 24" or 25" complete wheels.

The radiator cap and badge on the white car resembles a Stoddard Dayton. I'd say 1912.

Greg, I took the liberty of contacting Lee Stohr to satisfy my own curiosity if nothing else. He has been very helpful. It turns out he needs more than the parts you have to make a CAD drawing. I thought maybe if he could generate a CAD drawing, you could build a pattern. Below is our correspondence. Lee, I found your company on The Old Motor. Very Impressive! So I am in a current conversation with a guy who needs a crankcase for a motor he is trying to assemble. He is unwilling to contact you because he figures the cost will be too high but I figure if you can scan a crankcase digitally and print a pattern, that has to be a huge cost savings. Can you confirm my suspicion? Hi , Thank you for contacting me. I have made a Pierce crankcase and several engine blocks since that Old Motor article. I'm pretty good at designing the foundry molds and we've been lucky to get acceptable first castings on several engine blocks. Normally the first casting is cut up to look for defects, but I don't do that. However, I always say that casting is still a 'black art'. As soon as you walk into a foundry, there are no guarantees. For smaller, simple castings, you are correct. A 'loose' pattern can be printed and handed to the foundry. The foundry has to be willing to hand shape a sand parting line around the loose pattern,to create a cope/drag sand mold. No big deal for one or two simple castings. However, a 4 cylinder or bigger crankcase is usually not so simple because the inside is complicated and cores need to be designed /made to define those surfaces and shapes. Those cores need to be held firmly in place, by what are called 'core prints'. The core prints are additional pieces that need to be added to that 'loose pattern'. They can be pretty complex with draft angles and tolerances required to make the foundries job easier. Here is the process for a complicated sand casting like an engine block: First, I have to draw the part in CAD. Sometimes scanning helps, but I often use traditional measuring tools as well, and old factory drawings if they exist. We save a lot by 3D printing the cores for the foundry. That means the cost of making core boxes is eliminated. You don't really need permanent core boxes if you only need one casting. Printed cores are in the hundreds of dollars range. The cope and drag halves of the sand mold are made off permanent molds (not a loose pattern) and they cost $3,000 to $8,000 depending on the size of the part. Then there is the final cost of pouring the metal casting, maybe $1,000, it is whatever foundry charges. Then there is the cost of my time for making the drawings and processing the job. I am often asked to produce machining drawings for the part as well. Sorry for the long winded story, but I don't how complicated your clients crankcase is. It might be possible to make a 'loose pattern' by printing or even wood still works fine. 3D printing large objects is still not inexpensive, it can be a couple thousand from Stratasys or similar source. So a worst case, maximum price for a big 6 cylinder aluminum Crankcase could reach $15,000. (Directly printing metal parts is possible now, but very expensive.) Best regards, Lee Stohr -- Stohr Design Port Angeles, WA 540-255-6772 Lee, for reference here is a factory drawing of the crankcase. He has the block and oil pan, and crank and can provide bore and stroke. Can you make a CAD drawing from this? That's not quite enough, more photos of similar Staver engines would add enough info, I think. I have recreated castings and parts from photographs and a couple of original drawings, because we have no original parts. I'm familiar with T heads. It would be nice to know more about the inside of the Staver crankcase. For instance, the Pierce has troughs cast inside to feed oil to the camshaft bearings. I also designed the cam lobes for the Pierce, I think the Staver has the same kind of pinned lobes onto the shaft. Lee

Greg, I have this water pump for a 4 x 4 motor I am currently working on. I could see about getting a casting done. This one is made out of cast iron but a magnesium bronze one should work. I haven't cast anything this complicated so it might get expensive. Sounds like you'd be better off with a motor.

I believe Lee Stohr could take the picture of your crankcase, your block and oil pan and crank, and create a pattern and pour you a crankcase. The picture of the motor in my earlier post was created in similar fashion. As to cost, I have no idea but it might be worth contacting him.

Wayne, did you notice the post about Lee Stohr? I haven't checked with him concerning cost, but if he can digitally scan a crankcase and digitally print a pattern, its got to be a huge cost savings. I made a pattern for a single cylinder crankcase just as an exercise but the foundry said it was good enough to pour, so pour we did, and I took it to the machine shop and had it machined, and now I have a motor for my project/1900car.weebly.com

Al, have you not seen the ads posted by Durocar. He has been trying to sell an Overland radiator for three years. Is it the wrong year?

By the way, can the motors Joe passed on be traced down. Perhaps one could be purchased but would it work?

These look like very good options and close enough in appearance that most people will not be able to know the non original. Now if only you could find one. I have to say I am pulling for you. I still think pouring a new crankcase is a viable option. It would take some networking with owners of cars that use motors like yours but the deep pocket guys sometimes spend money for the fun of it. Having a backup aluminum crankcase is a wise choice with the idiosyncrasies of the originals. If you contacted the owners with your predicament and proposition, you might find a few willing to go in with you. As I understand it, the crankcase can be scanned and the pattern printed, so the cost and trouble is much less. Still I understand there are a few wisconsin motors still out there. Several has been bought lately for speedsters. If a plea were made for one to complete a rare and desirable car, it might just bring one to light.

Check out Stohr Design. He is in Washington state; may be helpful. Lee Stohr can be contacted via email- leestohr@teleport.com https://www.facebook.com/stohrdesign http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lee-stohr/14/68a/136

Are there any spare engines laying about where the owner might be convinced to allow it to be used to cast a crankcase? How many other people are needing crankcases or complete motors. If enough people are involved the cost comes down considerably. As I understand it, your biggest need is a crankcase and two cams, for which you have no specs?

Is this a teeter? Greg, somehow we need to get you a crankcase for your motor. Do you know of anyone that has cast a new one and might have a pattern? How many motors like yours are out there? Have you found any other of the missing parts. There was a complete steering mechanism at a flea market a couple of years ago I could've bought for next to nothing but I'm trying hard not to buy stuff I don't need anymore. Even if it wasn't the right part, if it helped you put the car together, it would be worth it. I guess for that matter, a more modern gear could be adapted without too much trouble.

The truth is early cars are still being restored. I noticed a crankcase being poured for an early T head car recently. A printer was being used to print the pattern. This is a huge cost savings. We are not far from being able to print a crankcase out of metal. Some metal printing is being done now. Don't give up. Just before 2,000 I knew a man with a car that had a Knight Sleeve Valve engine in it. If I remember correctly, he had a complete spare engine setting on the floor in his garage.

My point is there are early projects still out there. You may not see them advertised publicly. As to cost, have you been to the grocery store lately?

Early steam motors can be found in the $2500 range and sometimes less. They are on ebay occasionally. There was one on the HCCA site last month. I know a guy who is building an early Locomobile now and he recently finished a sister car to the Loco. Once you have the motor, building a car is not that hard, though it is not cheap. If you're interested, you have to find the guys that have the early cars, show yourself friendly, interested, and helpful, along the way somebody will decide to part with something and they will be looking for a caretaker for their baby. It might just be you. It has happened before.

Sadly, Thomas Morrison and wife had one child who preceeded them in death. I believe Thomas had siblings but have not as yet identified them. Not sure what happened to his considerable wealth when he passed. I believe he was somehow connected to the coal mining industry. If anybody has any knowledge, please share.

"It" is unknown. His grandfather had it. As of now, it seems his grandfather amalgamated a couple of different cars. He is restoring it as is.

Ive never seen one of these for sale. I suspect they usually sell between two individuals, I suspect for quite a bit more than George's offer. Just my two cents.

Are there records of how many 1934 K production cars have survived? This information might prove valuable to the cars owner today if we could get together. If the owner already knows the cars history, it should be easier to locate. I mis-spoke above, Thomas Morrison lived on Lorraine Ave, in Spring Lake, NJ. From Satelite imagery, I believe the house is still there.

This car was sold new to Thomas Morrison of Spring Lake NJ. I read somewhere that Ford has records of what car was sold to who. I'd like to find out if this car still exists today and who has it. The man in the picture is my grandfather, who was chauffeur to Mrs Morrison.

I think there is a fishing pole tied to the side of the car.

Second picture loaded. The car was sold new to a Mr T. Morrison, of Sea Girt, N.J.

Would a 22 carry a 19 tag? If it were a prototype, it would certainly carry a badge, wouldn't it. I'm not sure the speculation fits but I would agree, it is a Harroun. There were two in a recent conversation but only one was followed up on. What happened to the second car, the one setting in a field?

I'm sorry, the picture is loaded on my computer.