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I believe that would be a model 17. The model 16 is the roadster is it not?

I think what I'm looking at here is the archeological history of old16. More study might prove me wrong. There are clear differences between the mystery car above and old 16 but they might be able to be explained by a new set of wheels and a new spring shackle and the second grab bar removed from the seat. The radiator neck looks different but perhaps it is the angle the picture was taken. There is no white paint on 16 but the lighter grey paint might show up as white on a 100 year old black and white photo. I am out of my depth here but it appears nobody has undertaken the research or tried to answer the questions I have before.

Old 16 doesn't appear to have ever been white. The car above however has the square felloed Kelsey Hayes style clincher wheels but not the heavy truck style wheels shown on later pictures of old 16. The mystery deepens.

Quote from the Vanderbilt Cup Races website. "For the 1906 American Elimination Trial and the Vanderbilt Cup Race, Locomobile built two identical cars, one to race and the other, back-up. This photo is the only known evidence of the two cars together preparing for the American Elimination Trial. Note that both cars have the #12 on their radiators." Study the shackle on old 16. It is not identical to the mystery car. Neither are the wheels. It certainly appears by the statement above the two 1906 cars were made to be mirror images of each other, so one car could be substituted for the other. Why would one be given one style of shackle and the other another? Wheels can be changed but shackles are riveted to the frame. Consider also the radiator neck. The mystery car's radiator neck looks to be the same as the 1905 car and is short, while the radiator neck on old 16 is thinner and taller. The evidence seems to suggest Harold Thomas' car, old #7, was rebodied to resemble old 16.

1905 on the Vanderbilt cup race track Unknown car. Old 16

What can you tell me about these wheels? Why does it appear there are 6 valve stems? How did these wheels work? And, can anybody identify the maker? Thank you

This photo is supposed to be Joe Tracy in a Locomobile but which one? Joe Tracy is the driver of the #7 car but this car has a higher seat riser and non-perforated seat with upholstery and copper gas tank. It is also painted white and has a horn mounted. The two position grab bars are interesting. They allow for two positions of the riding mechanic, depending on the sharpness of the curve. Somewhere, somebody was asking about the purpose of the one fender on old 16. Of course these open wheeled cars threw a lot of dirt up into the face of the driver. The mechanic had to lean in close to the driver to stay in the car and as the wheels turned, they would throw dirt and mud away from the mechanic. For comparison, here is old sixteen. The two cars are almost identical except for the different horn, different rear wheels, different location of grab bars, and different front wheel. From this comparison, it is easy to see how the two cars were confused. A picture from the other side would readily reveal their identity. Old 16 has two exhaust ports and #7 has four. Also the spare tires on old 16 lean forward but on #7 they are straight up. There was 2" difference in wheelbase between the two cars. The box mounted to the side of the frame is twice as long on old 16 as on the car above. Old 16 has Kelsey Hayes style clincher wheels while #7 has Baker style clincher wheels. In the original configuration, the #7 car had a large gas tank under the rear of the car between the frame horns. It certainly appears that an effort was made to make the car resemble #16. #16 was the most famous American car at the time and it was owned by the Locomobile company. It was paraded around and the accomplishment of the car was touted over and over again. As you can see, there was very little difference in the two cars to start with and the #7 car had proved itself equal to old 16. If it had not been for the driving of Joe Florida, old 16 most likely would not have won the Vanderbilt. One has to wonder who was trying to confuse the two cars. Was Locomobile able to purchase #7 to use as a sister car to #16 after the #1 car was wrecked? There were three Locomobile race cars between 1905 and 1906. There was the Harold Thomas commissioned car and the two sister cars #1 and #16 produced by Locomobile. Joe Tracy drove the #1 car and the Harold Thomas car. The #1 car was wrecked at the 1908 Vanderbilt cup and its motor was later installed in a boat according to history. Notice the different style wheels on the white car above and the different front spring shackle.

1913 postcard from Townsend, Ma.

I found some pictures of the Stutz tail light and they are very similar. The jewels in mine are faceted and the jewels in the Stutz light looks round. The Maxwell light is similar but very different. Perhaps the facets don't show up very well in pictures.

Thankyou. I did a quick search and couldn't find anything like it on model A dueseys.

Here's another one. The picture is sideways and needs to be turned 90 degrees. I checked with Ron Hausman and he confirmed Kissels used this cover from 23-25 but without the jewels. He said possibly model A Duesenburg but not sure. What can you tell me?

I believe it is a line shaft bearing, as was stated above. Most were poured babbitt.

A picture would be helpful. If you only need a head, someone could make one if you could find a pattern or make a pattern from your existing cylinder.

Thanks a bunch. I posted it for sale under Studebaker.

Asking $55. Housing is bent but restorable, upper and lower glass is good, license plate glass is missing.

That was fast. How did you do that!

OK, someone was right. Stamped into the top of the housing of this rear tail lamp is Studebaker, type A. See, I told you it was calorie free. Now, which Studebaker is a type A?

Very Very Nice!!!! Just who is Howard Kroplick?

It does have a license plate light on the bottom.

I will personally guarantee this light to be low in calories.

I have a jack that I use on my model T that has a carriage in front of the jack mechanism. The carriage fits between the truss rod and the round tube of the differential. As many of you know, T models are hard to hand crank when cold unless you jack up one rear wheel. I have never learned what jack was appropriate on brass era cars. We all know they were jacked up because flats were regular occurrences. Ashland Manufacturing. I swore if I ever found another one I would buy it but when I ran across the second one, I didn't. Only two I've ever seen.

"Lite" has been an abbreviated form of "light" for many years, but more importantly: "Does anybody know the application for this rearward facing lumen producing housing?"

I'm sorry, I don't know what a "diet" lamp is? Can you please explain?

The jack above would be for a car that does not have the truss rod running underneath the differential. So did early loco's have a truss rod and what year was it discontinued?