PFindlay Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Can anyone ID this car for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Maybe a late teens Paige?? There is something odd about the construction of the front fender/running-board though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Haven't we seen something here before with a running board turning up like that at the front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Probably - now just have to remember where and when! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I have seen that running board/fender combo, but sure cannot remember what they are on. Similar to a Lexington... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I think you are on to it. This picture show more detail of the valance. What is odd is the style of hood louvres and the construction of the fender edges. The mystery car's fender edges look to be an earlier style. I notice also, that the mystery car has less hub bolts than the car here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 More Lexington stuff. Looking at the fenders loaded into the touring car body I would go with circa 1917 for the mystery car, even though the louvres are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldford Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Marmon 34 had the similar running board treatment on the fenders, but all the photos I have seen have straight hood louvers. Also the hubcaps aren't right on the mystery car. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFindlay Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 Thanks to each of you for the suggestions, but I don't think we've got it yet. If you look at the left edge of the picture you can see the spring setup and it's different from the Lexington. Also, the rear doors in the picture appear to come straight down in front of the fender, making for a rectangular rear door,;no cutout for the fender curve. The Marmon running board sweeps up at the rear as well as the front. The hood louvers are unique in that they are quite short, and low on the hood. Any other suggestions would be welcomed. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I agree. That is why I said, "similar to the Lexington." Too many differences to be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 That apron between the running board and the doors looks strange to me also. Nothing like my '23 Hupp, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 It looks to be an American car make, made in 1921-22? http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/car-of-the-week/car-of-the-week-1923-american Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 2:09 AM, lump said: That apron between the running board and the doors looks strange to me also. Nothing like my '23 Hupp, for sure. I believe you are seeing the frame and not an apron. I don't think it has aprons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 Just keeping this one at the top of the stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFindlay Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 Boy, the American shown above certainly checks off some of the boxes. Here they are side by side: Similarities: running board swoops up roof bow has a Y in it doors and door handles frame showing above running board short, vertical hood louvers design of rear spring showing at rear of car Differences: headlights and cowl lights wheels (disks may have been an option) American fenders appear to have more rounded edges Could this be it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Yeah, I'm sure you're right, Keiser. Indeed, my Hupp doesn't have sheet metal aprons either. But that frame in the area between running boards and doors looks so... industrial, I guess. Maybe it's painted a lighter color? Maybe it's just the lighting, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 The American is a good suggestion. Certainly closer than anything else, so far. The difference in lights is from the mystery car having pre-1920 style lights. Disc wheels didn't become popular until after 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 This one is supposed to be a 1920 American. Compared to our mystery car it is very similar. It just has taller skinnier wheels. I suspect it might be earlier than 1920. Searching more I see this pic turned up on a page on HAMB and I commented on it. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/photos-taken-before-ww2-history-in-black-and-white.483757/page-297 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Here you can see the rivets on the frame on red 1923 American car, similar as in PFindlay's older car picture. Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 What does the radiator emblem look like on that "American" car? I have never seen one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I don`t think many others have seen it either? If this show the emblem ,just wonder how it really looks? It isn´t easy to find an "American" car when Googling! Maybe someone else can post a photo of the American emblem! Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Looks to be a 3D eagle on the red car's radiator shell. Here is a motometer from a 1923 American... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Here is a hubcap from an American... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Are you able to blow up a hubcap from the original mystery car? I see this cap here has eight sides. I think the cap on the mystery car has only six. It would be nice to think it had been solved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Best I could do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Good enough. Note in both of your pictures the cap is hexagonal. Maybe your other hubcap pic is earlier?? Note also on the restored red car there is a sort of clip connecting the running board and fender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Found the emblems. I should have looked myself before asking here, but better late than never. I went to Mike Shears' excellent 'American Auto Emblem's website, and found several photos of enameled radiator emblems for the American Motor Company. Duh. I should have looked there first. Here is a link: American Motor Company radiator emblem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Yep... matches the hubcap I posted a photo of. It may just be for the American Underslung. Not certain if they made a non-underslung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwells Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 According to Kimes/Clark, American did did indeed sell non-underslung models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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