BigWaveDave Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Greetings. Hope everyone is having a good new year so far. I picked up these doors a few years ago and was hoping to track down a door handle for the door on the right. As you can see my wife was kind enough to measure the holes where the door handle used to be. The holes seen in the photo are exactly the same as the back side so I dont believe the handle that was there before had any sort of locking mechanism, just simply a handle to pull. Any ideas as to where I might find an appropriate handle for the era? I have been told teens, early twenties. I have also been told they came off of a vehicle (unk make) but a chance they came off of a horse drawn wagon of some sort. I have tried scouring the internet for photos of vehicles from this era but not much luck with photos showing the rear so very hard for me to identify. Any help with a handle would be greatly appreciated as well as any photos showing similar doors on a vehicle. David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Dave, what are the dimensions of these doors? That could help establish their original application. Looks like the Thomsen's Candies was a viable operation some time ago. They were produced by the Pacific Coast Biscuit Company (Portland, Spokane, Seattle, Los Angeles). This building ad is on the corner of NW 12th and Everett St. in Portland, OR. Cargo depot photo is dated 1921. Hope this info can help shed some light on your search. Greg Edited January 9, 2018 by GregLaR (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Looks like mortise hardware to me.Should have a 1 inch by 4 mortise on the edge of the operating door.Should have a few sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 Greg thank you for the pics, very cool. The building in the first pic still stands. Was turned into a parking garage in 65. The company itself has a lot of history. The door dimensions are approximately 48 inches tall by 19 1/2 inches wide (per door) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 Old Car Fan thank you for your response. If you are able to post a pic of the handle(s) you have that would be awesome. If you need any more pics of other angles of the doors let me know. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This is what you are probably looking for. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Brass-T-Handle-BEST-OFFER/302149774102?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 It will be time consuming, but one could take a trip to the Portland Public Library, and scroll through old newspaper microfilm, and look for vintage busy street scenes where a Thomsen's truck may appear, or perhaps stumble on a news article on Thomsen's, and/or vintage ads showing their fleet of vehicles. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 Thanks for the reply Larry. Looks like it might be a period piece. Just need a unit with two handles though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, 8E45E said: It will be time consuming, but one could take a trip to the Portland Public Library, and scroll through old newspaper microfilm, and look for vintage busy street scenes where a Thomsen's truck may appear, or perhaps stumble on a news article on Thomsen's, and/or vintage ads showing their fleet of vehicles. Craig I would love to find a pic of the actual vehicle with these doors on it. That would even be better than finding the hardware! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60FlatTop Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 If you find something that looks good but can't verify it I have a friend who is a Notary Public and I witness anything. (Old Card fan is good, mortise hardware) Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) ,Show the edge of the door,could be a mystery ,or I can help.I know I can help.i have a brother in the door side of the trade,Send a pic of the edge of the pair.I thought they were 6/8 7/0 doors,.Do the very best I can Edited January 10, 2018 by old car fan (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42319DB34 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Possible source vendor : Just off the plaza in Orange, Ca. Muff's Antiques 135 So. Glassell St. Orange ,Ca. 92866 714-997-0243 email photos to: muffs@earthlink.net OR Vintage Hardware 495 Main St. Murphys, Ca. 95247 209-728-2031 Phone 209-728-2320 Fax Turn of Century plumbing ,possible source for hinges , latches , handles & attaching hardware items ... Edited January 11, 2018 by 42319DB34 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefit Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I would try www Rocker. They carry all kinds of locks handles and hinges new and old style. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Here are some additional pics of the other side as well as the door edge. A big thanks to all of you who have provided leads. Still searching but hopefully will get ahold of something soon. David Edited January 11, 2018 by BigWaveDave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 what are going to do with the doors .Knowing that,i could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) I know its a long shot but I would like to eventually put them on a period vehicle and put on display in a shop selling confections. A retirement dream of mine which hopefully will come into play in a few years. For now they are on display with the rest of my candy memorabilia at home. Edited January 11, 2018 by BigWaveDave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I need to figure out how the inactive door stayed in place,do not think the hasp is correct..Most the hardware is period correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Maybe the active door held the inactive door closed. Perhaps there were flat bars the ran up and down to pins that held both doors closed. Turning the handle would retract both pins. I don't see any indications of a latch on the edge of the door so it must have been fastened at the top and bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I must be missing something Why does the inactive panel not lock,being a double door ,imposible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, old car fan said: I must be missing something Why does the inactive panel not lock,being a double door ,imposible I always wondered that myself. I too am guessing the hasp is an add on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) We will get it done,but we need to know your purpose Edited January 11, 2018 by old car fan (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 It looks like there is a lip along the inside edge that would keep the unlatched door closed. Near the top of there are two screw holes that were most likely for a bracket that a rod or bar would go through. I presume there is two similar screw holes near the bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yes the astragal will keep the doors together,notneeds either a surface mount bolt on the inactive door, mortised or applied. here again,unless I am missing it,a pic of the door edge would be helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, 28 Chrysler said: It looks like there is a lip along the inside edge that would keep the unlatched door closed. Near the top of there are two screw holes that were most likely for a bracket that a rod or bar would go through. I presume there is two similar screw holes near the bottom After looking a little closer yes there are two screw holes at the bottom as well. Maybe a rod system that turns via the handle, locking into the inside top and bottom of the frame around the doors maybe??? Old car fan the door edge with the missing door handle has a metal strip along the whole side. The other door is all exposed wood, no cut outs. Edited January 13, 2018 by BigWaveDave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 In GregLaR's post, number two above, you see signage on the Pacific Coast Bakery Company building the refers to "SnowFlake (sic) Sodas". The "sodas" are actually their soda cracker product. I found a picture on Google Images of their retail store with four somewhat newer vehicles out in front. Alas, the only one with script on the doors was related to the cracker business and not the candy. Most of us know that the swastika had a life before the Nazis commandeered it. It was even a part of Buddhist symbolism at one time. I only mention it because this company used it a great deal on their products. It's such a hateful sign that to see it on packages of candy or soda crackers is a remarkable shock. Maybe the Library of Congress would have some images that would be relevant to your search. I didn't try there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Looks like they came off of a Sedan Delivery, like the one shown in the photo above. Check with Hippo Hardware for those parts they may have what you are looking for since going there is like stepping into a museum. They are located at 1040 E. Burnside Street, Portland, Or 97214, phone number 503-231-1444, web site http://hippohardware.com. Open M---Thursday----10am---5pm, Friday ---Saturday----10am-6pm, Sunday 10am---5pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 9 hours ago, Dennis said: Looks like they came off of a Sedan Delivery, like the one shown in the photo above. Check with Hippo Hardware for those parts they may have what you are looking for since going there is like stepping into a museum. They are located at 1040 E. Burnside Street, Portland, Or 97214, phone number 503-231-1444, web site http://hippohardware.com. Open M---Thursday----10am---5pm, Friday ---Saturday----10am-6pm, Sunday 10am---5pm. Thanks for the link I will definitely give them a call today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 11 hours ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: In GregLaR's post, number two above, you see signage on the Pacific Coast Bakery Company building the refers to "SnowFlake (sic) Sodas". The "sodas" are actually their soda cracker product. I found a picture on Google Images of their retail store with four somewhat newer vehicles out in front. Alas, the only one with script on the doors was related to the cracker business and not the candy. Most of us know that the swastika had a life before the Nazis commandeered it. It was even a part of Buddhist symbolism at one time. I only mention it because this company used it a great deal on their products. It's such a hateful sign that to see it on packages of candy or soda crackers is a remarkable shock. Maybe the Library of Congress would have some images that would be relevant to your search. I didn't try there. Thats a great idea thank you. And thanks for the pics. It is interesting this symbol was used. Little did they realize it would be a symbol of hatred years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Yeah, truly strange. I guess that I've thought all of these years that "swastika" was the German name for this hated symbol. It seems to me now that the name predates the Nazis. Sorry to take your thread on a bit of a side trip, but I thought that folks m ight find it all interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 American Indians also used the same symbol at least 100 years before the Germans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Hudsy Wudsy said: In GregLaR's post, number two above, you see signage on the Pacific Coast Bakery Company building the refers to "SnowFlake (sic) Sodas". The "sodas" are actually their soda cracker product. I found a picture on Google Images of their retail store with four somewhat newer vehicles out in front. Alas, the only one with script on the doors was related to the cracker business and not the candy. Most of us know that the swastika had a life before the Nazis commandeered it. It was even a part of Buddhist symbolism at one time. I only mention it because this company used it a great deal on their products. It's such a hateful sign that to see it on packages of candy or soda crackers is a remarkable shock. Maybe the Library of Congress would have some images that would be relevant to your search. I didn't try there. The Buffum Tool Company also used the swastika in their advertising. Here is a link with information on the company and an explanation on the mark. The first tool shown in the tool used to pull the Buick valve cages from the beginning to about 1925. http://www.pcgenweb.com/pcgs/bios/buffum.htm Additional information on the swastika. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Edited January 15, 2018 by Larry Schramm (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 I have a few candy related items that showed the swastika as well. Most companies using the symbol did away with it around 1932 to 1935 for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Dave, I'm surprised that it didn't occur to me earlier to mention that you might find interesting info through your local or state history museums. I looked on line and found a link to your Museum of History and Industry there in Seattle: http://mohai.org/ If they're anything like the nice folks at our own Minnesota History Center, they'll likely be delighted to help you find images and info about your doors and the company. In fact, if you don't find a great way to use or display your treasures, you might consider donating them to your local folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 22 hours ago, 28 Chrysler said: American Indians also used the same symbol at least 100 years before the Germans. Interesting! I think that I recall that when the symbol was used prior to the Nazis, it was sometimes used in a mirror image fashion. Like facing left, rather than right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWaveDave Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 I inquired with a company today called Classic and Exotic Service out of Troy Michigan since their website showed some potential period handles. I asked them if I were to email some pics with measurements of the openings for the handles could they help me with possibly matching a handle or two to fit the doors. This is their response: "Everything we have is shown on our website. You'll have to compare for yourself against what is shown - that's the best we can do." I guess the dollar amount wasn't enough for them to bother helping me out. Has anyone ever dealt with this company before? At any rate they will never get any business from me in the future. Anyway if anyone has a set of period handles with bezels that would fit I guess that is really all I need for now for display purposes until I actually put these doors on a vehicle. Then I will try and track down the rest of the hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudsy Wudsy Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) On 1/10/2018 at 8:57 PM, Mikefit said: I would try www Rocker. They carry all kinds of locks handles and hinges new and old style. Mike Mike, I wonder if you meant "rockler", rather than "rocker". Here's a link: http://www.rockler.com/ Edited January 16, 2018 by Hudsy Wudsy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I guess the dollar amount wasn't enough for them to bother helping me out. Has anyone ever dealt with this company before? At any rate they will never get any business from me in the future. Anyway if anyone has a set of period handles with bezels that would fit I guess that is really all I need for now for display purposes until I actually put these doors on a vehicle. Then I will try and track down the rest of the hardware. Yes, I am of the same opinion. Classic and Exotic Service reminds me of Jack Kennedy & Marylin Monroe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Crane also used the Swastika: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?29299-MILT-COMBS-FREE-WHEELING-STUDEBAKER-SWASTIKA-TOKEN&highlight=swastika As did the facia of a Studebaker dealer: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?75941-Stude-building-symbol-question Craig Edited January 19, 2018 by 8E45E added link (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old car fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) As far as Classic and Exotic Service,I will stand behind him,i know him when I see him at auctions or whatever.You may should contact him about the e mail . Ihave dealt with on ebay,it was spot on,he also sells reproduction parts that are good,Unlike some we have bought. Edited January 17, 2018 by old car fan (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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