Bill Williams Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 I have just joined and hope this question is not redundant. My NJ title for my 38 states F 31093 210 and when trying to title in Florida am questioned where that number came from. Gave them my engine block no 43532084 and have located frame no 3331119 however need to determine where the title no came from. Thanks for any guidance as looking forward to getting her back on the road. Original title issued to me in 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daves1940Buick56S Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Could that be a casting number from somewhere on the engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 Hi Dave, As both egine block number and frame are clear just wonder where a casting number might be located. I think NJ during the 80's went to a 17 number vin and trying to figure out the origin of this number on the title. Thanks for reply I see from another member his car had a number stamped on transmission case near the gearshift lever. Will lift floor board and see if anything there but doubt it. Cheers Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock10 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 The Numbers guys will be here soon I suspect. Hang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 Thanks hope we can solve this puzzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pont35cpe Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Bill Williams said: Hi Dave, As both egine block number and frame are clear just wonder where a casting number might be located. I think NJ during the 80's went to a 17 number vin and trying to figure out the origin of this number on the title. Thanks for reply I see from another member his car had a number stamped on transmission case near the gearshift lever. Will lift floor board and see if anything there but doubt it. Cheers Bill Bill, my `36 Buick transmission has the frame number(which i recently discovered)stamped on top of the trans case just aft of the top shifter plate, so i know trans is original to the car. My engine was a re-manufactured one. Car didn`t have a title when i bought it(complete basket case/disassembled), from what i understand prewar cars had the engine number on the title, so it wouldn`t have matched the title anyways. I applied for a title, it now has the frame number on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Thanks for the lead will look around the shifter. The NJ title number bears no connection to the numbers I have found on engine and frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I believe there should be a plate riveted or welded to the outside of the frame just behind the passenger side front wheel. It might be covered with grime (or it might be gone). It should look something like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Thanks Matt, I have found the plate you reference but the number does not match the number on the NJ title hence the problem as Florida wants to see numbers that match. Hope to find a solution so can get titled here. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock10 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Have you talked to NJ DMV or the previous owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 I will call NJ DMV as believe prior owner is no longer with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayG Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Check the door pillars. Maybe NJ DMV issued new numbers for whatever reason and mounted a tag somewhere. I had a Jag that had a CT assigned number and a tag riveted to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 Thanks Jay will check again but found nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 Hi Matt did find number on transmission same as no on frame so back to square one as NJ number different will cal NJDMV and see if they can shed some light on this. Thanks again Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39BuickEight Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 This may sound crazy, but you could have the number you are looking for made as a plate and added somewhere. This may not help a future buyer, but may help your situation now. These old cars were often titled using all sorts of various numbers. My title had the model number on it (because that was the number on the data plate) until I told them tens of thousands of cars had that same number. Some titles even have the incorrect year, as they would use the year of purchase instead of the actual model year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmTee Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Did the seller have more than one car? If so, could you have been given the wrong title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Williams Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 The seller did have another car if I recall an Olds dating back to 1920's but the nj title is very specific as to the buick details so am sure he gave me correct title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daves1940Buick56S Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 If your DMV is intransigent...get a punch set with the letters and numbers you need. Find a place on the frame not readily observable. Punch the numbers in and dirty it up nicely. Then take the car to the nearest office and say "look what I found." Sometimes you gotta just play their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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