Engine to identify

[Mark Wetherbee]

A good friend of mine has this engine in his Barn and would like to identify it so he can sell it.

 

Thank you for any help in advance, and have a great Christmas!

 

 

 

 

 

[Dave Mellor NJ]

Similar to a '20s Dodge.

 

 

 

[nzcarnerd]

There might be some info on the starter, and generator, and the distributor.

 

Also see if there are any casting dates on it.

 

Maybe post on the Dodge page here.

 

The engine 'looks like' a Dodge but from what I could see the Dodge Fast Four does not have the water outlet halfway down the side like this engine has.

[trimacar]

It's not a Fast Four engine, too many details different. The number D- 919-745 indicates a 1927 126/127 series engine, which is not a Fast Four.

[nzcarnerd]

I am not into Dodges but I could see that it was not the early type with the big starter on the front.

 

Would make the beginnings of a speedster project. I found a site where someone was modifying one  -  http://www.fastfourspecial.com/engine.html   - I guess somewhere in between stock and not quite as extreme as that one would be a good idea.

[trimacar]

In 1927 Dodge went to 6 volts and eliminated the starter/generator (the big starter you mention). They made a "regular" four and a "fast" four, the difference is the fast four had a different manifold system, distributor through the top of the head, and five main bearings. They're good, reliable engines (as were all the early Dodges), but "fast" is a misnomer. They might be 5 or 10 miles an hour faster than the 40 mph "slow four). I've had a slow four to almost 50 mph, but you really don't want to do that, everything is shaking and vibrating and complaining.

 

Here's a fast four, 1927, if anyone needs it, it's available and for sale, it turns freely but hasn't run in over 50 years, was stored in a garage since the mid-1960s... and is complete with bell housing, clutch, transmission, and pedals...

 

[Dave Mellor NJ]

This is a '27 engine from a 128 coupe. it doesn't have that pinwheel aircleaner? Or the pointy crank /timing cover.

 

 

[Dave Mellor NJ]

Other side.

 

[nzcarnerd]

I wonder if the engine with the 'pointy crank/timing cover' could be from a Graham Brothers truck?

 

I also note differences in the various engines pictured in the generator/water pump area.

[Mark Wetherbee]

Graham truck might be it as there was one in the family at one time. 

 

If if anyone could use it, it is available just south of Bangor, Maine, and if you PM me I will pass on the owner's contact information.

[Ron Lawson]

The engine is Dodge and it is the first one that they made with the 2 unit starter and generator. Raymond White in the U.K. has a 1926 Dodge Brothers with the same engine 

[Leif Holmberg]

As Ron Lawson says,  it looks to be a 1926 Dodge.

 

Leif in Sweden.

 

 

[Mark Wetherbee]

Thank you all again, I have passed this information on to the owner.

[Dave Mellor NJ]

Here's that pinwheel.

 

[D Yaros]

On 12/23/2017 at 4:52 PM, trimacar said:

In 1927 Dodge went to 6 volts

 

Pray tell what was the voltage in use by Dodge prior to 1927?

[keiser31]

12 volts.

[D Yaros]

Keiser, 

 

Somehow I knew you were going to say that. Seems like a step backward, expect for the fact that 6V was the norm and 12V was the oddball (and more expensive due to law of supply and demand).

[trimacar]

6v was the norm in the US, but a lot of early British cars used 12v, including Rolls Royce.

 

Chrysler bought Dodge Brothers in 1926, and that's when the change to 6V came for DB.

 

Probably no issue getting 12V batteries then, as Dodges sold well and were everywhere. The starter/generator was very reliable, and quiet... always fun to be talking to someone as you sit in your DB, and without looking press the starter pedal... and car just starts quietly!