1941 Buick color example request

[kgreen]

(1) I'm asking for pictures of owners cars in red for 1941.

(2) I'm asking if any member of the BCA owns the car shown below.

 

In 1941 Buick offered three red colors, Titan Maroon, Permanent Red and Sienna Rust as shown on the following color chart:

 

The color chip for Titan Maroon doesn't show very well.  Does anyone have a clearer picture with that color chip?

 

Which color does the following car display?

 

Does this car belong to any of our members?

Edited July 12, 2017 by kgreen
spelling and carelessness of course (see edit history)

[Buicknutty]

That looks closer to Royal Maroon than Titan Maroon. Royal Maroon was also used in '41, and that's the colour I did my '41 Roadmaster in.

Here's a couple of shots of mine.

Keith

[Buicknutty]

Reposting these, I'm thinking that the lower one, in front of the train station is closer to the actual colour than the upper one.

Keith

[neil morse]

I was going to give you a response similar to Keith's since he and I have compared photos of our '41's and they appear to be the same color.  Mine is an older repaint and the data plate is missing so I have no idea what the paint code is or whether it was the original color.  However, it matches the paint on the firewall, doorjambs, etc., so it looks like the original color.  I have posted a pic of my car.

 

However, looking around on Google I have also found reference to Royal Metallic Maroon, and that's what the color looks like to me in the photo you have posed.  Here's a link to an example:

 

http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/buick/buick-00044.html

 

[neil morse]

Here's another example of a car listed as Royal Maroon that seems to have a bit of of metallic sheen to it, like the photo you have posted.  As Keith has pointed out in a different thread, it is very hard to tell anything from photos because the colors can look so different in photos than they actually are.

https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/ds-1941-buick-super-8-convertible-coupe/#photos_section

 

 

[61polara]

This is Sienna Rust.  I understand it was to be used on station wagons only, but this car was special ordered with it.

[KongaMan]

5 hours ago, 61polara said:

This is Sienna Rust.  I understand it was to be used on station wagons only, but this car was special ordered with it.

 

That's a cool color.

[neil morse]

In case anyone is thinking of Royal Maroon as a color choice, I thought I would share this note that I found stuck on the windshield of my '41 yesterday when I came back to the parking lot after doing some grocery shopping.  This has got to be the strangest note I've ever gotten on a car!  I'm not sure what to make of it, I have to admit.

 

 

[trimacar]

That is a strange note!  I get more upset when people ACT like I'm not there!

 

I try to avoid driving over shadows anyway, they seem to slow down most of my cars.....

[Thriller]

One evening a few years ago, well before sunset and the street lights coming on, I was driving my (fairly bright blue) Wildcat home and a pedestrian yelled at me to turn on my lights. There are strange people everywhere. 

 

[kgreen]

Thanks guys.  I took a couple pictures at Nationals of two colors that I was considering; Verde Green and Sudan Blue.  The Verde Green pictures looked better as a picture but not to my liking in person.  The Sudan Blue looked great in person and had lost its' appeal in the picture.  I'm going to have to stand next to one one these beautiful cars to see the truth, huh?

 

 This is Sudan Blue

 

This is Verde Green

[billorn]

19 hours ago, neil morse said:

In case anyone is thinking of Royal Maroon as a color choice, I thought I would share this note that I found stuck on the windshield of my '41 yesterday when I came back to the parking lot after doing some grocery shopping.  This has got to be the strangest note I've ever gotten on a car!  I'm not sure what to make of it, I have to admit.

 

 

 

So is this person expecting you to run out and paint your car a different color, like, say, safety orange or something so they can see it better?

 

I also believe that other drivers not seeing me is their problem. If you cant see a 4000 pound Buick going down the road you need to put down your stupid phone.

[neil morse]

1 hour ago, billorn said:

If you cant see a 4000 pound Buick going down the road you need to put down your stupid phone.

 

Haha -- I have to admit, that was exactly my reaction when I read the note!  Actually, that was my second reaction.  My first reaction was to think that it was a note from the driver of another car that had dinged my beautiful Buick in the parking lot, and that this was his/her way of explaining what happened, i.e., I hit your car, but it wasn't my fault because it was painted with that "invisible" paint!  But fortunately, I could detect no damage.

[Buicknutty]

 I have got more compliments about the colour on my car than any other I've had, so for me, Royal Maroon was the right colour for my car. On top of that, I really like it too.

 Colour is such a personal choice though, you have to make the one that is right for you.

 Keith

[Robuick46]

On 7/16/2017 at 2:09 PM, neil morse said:

Here's another example of a car listed as Royal Maroon that seems to have a bit of of metallic sheen to it, like the photo you have posted.  As Keith has pointed out in a different thread, it is very hard to tell anything from photos because the colors can look so different in photos than they actually are.

https://www.schmitt.com/inventory/ds-1941-buick-super-8-convertible-coupe/#photos_section

 

 

Wow, what a beauty.

[Robuick46]

On 7/12/2017 at 9:43 PM, kgreen said:

In 1941 Buick offered three red colors, Titan Maroon, Permanent Red and Sienna Rust as shown on the following color chart:

 

The color chip for Titan Maroon doesn't show very well.  Does anyone have a clearer picture with that color chip?

 

 

Maybe I’m wrong, but when I look at the color chart, the name of the color is under the color pattern. This is best seen in the lower color range, as for example with the color Sequoia Cream. Then the reddish color that my 1946 Buick Super has would be called Permanent Red.

[Robuick46]

OK, I looked for some color charts on the internet again and I suspect that some color charts are also bleached or simply aged.

[Robuick46]

...finally I found the photo of this comparison card on my PC, which I downloaded some time and somewhere on the Internet (maybe in this forum).

...another Internet source that might help.

 

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?year=1946&con=y&sort=make&make=Buick&rows=50

Edited July 30 by Robuick46 (see edit history)

[Shootey]

On 7/16/2017 at 3:07 PM, KongaMan said:

 

That's a cool color.

 

On 7/16/2017 at 9:52 AM, 61polara said:

This is Sienna Rust.  I understand it was to be used on station wagons only, but this car was special ordered with it.

I did not know that Sienna Rust was used only on wagons. Thanks for the information. I own a 1941 Estate Wagon. Attached is the cover photo of a 1941 Estate Wagon on the March 1984 issue of Car Collector. The text says “The paint has been touched up here and there over the years, but for the most part is the original factory paint.” The color appears to be much lighter than the sedan shown above. 

 

 

[neil morse]

2 hours ago, Robuick46 said:

Then the reddish color that my 1946 Buick Super has would be called Permanent Red.

Robert, your car looks like Royal Maroon to me.

 

One thing that is illustrated by this thread is the folly of trying to identify colors from photos off the internet, whether photos of cars or photos of color charts.  As Robert has noted, the color charts are often faded or aged, and then on top of that you have the wide variation in color from a photo, depending on lighting, position of the camera, etc.  I think that the magazine cover posted by Shootey is another good example of this -- I get the feeling that the magazine had been left somewhere in direct sunlight for a long time, and I think the color looks "lighter" because the magazine cover is faded.  There really is no substitute for seeing a color in real life.

 

Also, with regard to the use of Sienna Rust on wagons, I note that the illustration in the '41 Buick sales brochure seems to show the wagon in that color.

 

[Shootey]

I bought the magazine new and it has never since seen the light of day for more than a few minutes at a time. The featured car was owned by Warner Brothers. The color may have faded in the Southern California sun. The article says the paint is original but it could well be that thirty-plus years of washing and polishing faded the color. Who knows?

[neil morse]

Haha -- so much for my sun-faded magazine cover idea! 😜