wex65 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 So my nice new 760-15 cross ply white walls arrived from Croker and I hurried down to my local tire shop.90 minutes later, nothing...Apparently they cannot mount the tires as they are "thinner that what we are used to"...!?!I am trying to get them on the 6/5" rims. According to Croker they are fine for 5.5-7" rims so should be fine.Is there any trick or tip to getting this done? Anyone else had issues getting "thin" tires to seal on rims.I will try again tomorrow at another shop...nothing is easy any more.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Falabella Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Recently had US Royal 8.20x15 from Universal mounted at my buddies shop(Goodyear dealer). No problems. I painted the wheels and had him put the weights on the back of the wheel. Looks much better. Edited July 25, 2012 by Paul Falabella (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953mack Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 So my nice new 760-15 cross ply white walls arrived from Croker and I hurried down to my local tire shop.90 minutes later, nothing...Apparently they cannot mount the tires as they are "thinner that what we are used to"...!?!I am trying to get them on the 6/5" rims. According to Croker they are fine for 5.5-7" rims so should be fine.Is there any trick or tip to getting this done? Anyone else had issues getting "thin" tires to seal on rims.I will try again tomorrow at another shop...nothing is easy any more.PaulI had my new white wall tires mounted at a nearby gas station that does tire repair, small tune ups and repairs. They mounted the tires on my 1953 Buick 40-spoke wire wheels, 6.5" wide, without any problems using a typical pneumatic tire mounting machine. When it came time to inflate them, in lieu of strapping a wrap around the tire to kind of widen the brand new, flatter, thinner tire and pumping it up with compressed air, the mechanic had a small portable tank with nitrogen in it, and literally blasted nitrogen in between the tire bead and the rim. It was a loud blast and took about one second to seat the bead. After seating the bead, he brought the tire pressure up with compressed air. Slickest thing I ever saw. They charged me $20 to mount and inflate the four tires. Find a shop that knows what they're doing. Just another idea.Al MackBCA #8965"500 Miles West of Flint" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Using the "circumferal tube" to make the bead expand was quite common, even back then, if the tires had been wrapped in protective plastic or stored in a stack. The 6.5" rim width just aggravated it a little, I suspect. Some wheels had more of a ledge leading to the bead than others did, though, which made that operation easier to handle with just some "jockeying" of the tire on the wheel as the air chuck was clamped to the valve stem. All it took was one instant of air pressure to spread the bead just a bit for the tire to air up.The "too thin" comment seems totally flaky to me, though. I could see "too thick", though. Good that you found a place that knew what they were doing! At a good price, too!Thanks for the update!NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wex65 Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 Thanks guys, I will try again today. The tires are indeed wrapped in protective plastic which I will remove today. I will let the sit out in the sun to warm up to see if that helps and then bring them to another place I know.I think the real problem here and in many places and in many fields of specialism is that some people just dont have the skills or attitude they used to. The guys manning the tire shop were very young and made it clear that anything 'out of the ordinary' that might require extra thought or work was a no-go... The guy behind the counter was super friendly but you could tell the guys on the floor were really not happy having to do this.I will try somewhere else this PM and mention the strap/bottle methods although I would like to think they know of them already.Trying to get the car ready for Hershy in October... Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 They DO look very skinny with the wrappers on. Even Discount Tire or Midas can do it. It really isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Sounds like they did not even unwrap and try. When you do find someone be sure to tell them not to lean any black part of a tire against the whitewall...it will transfer a permanent stain. Also have the tires static balanced with all the weights on the inside...it make for a cleaner appearance for me the balance quality is as good or better than dynamic balance with the weights on both sides of the rim.Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Sounds to me they are afraid that they might ruin your tire, yet, they will take a $3000.00 Corvette wheel and mount a $1500.00 tire on it with no problem. Mag machines work on these wheels of our as well. There is no trick to it. Shop by phone and let them know what you have. Will save a lot of travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Sounds to me they are afraid that they might ruin your tire, yet, they will take a $3000.00 Corvette wheel and mount a $1500.00 tire on it with no problem.The Corvette tires they've probably done before. Their machine is probably capable of doing them, too. But a skinny steel wheel with some "different" tires probably made them wonder if their machine was capable of something so narrow?As 5563 mentioned, as Discount Tire (and othes) should be able to do them. They probably have a tire mounting machine that's at least as good as the first place has, too. Or perhaps it was the "wrapper" that looked alien to them, although that's how many fancy tires came back then.Old-Tank's comments about protecting the white wall are important!Good luck,NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 These tires are really no different than a 155/75/R13. Thin tire on a thin steel wheel. Picture a Toyota Yaris standard wheel. The Coats mag machine can mount these tires and any tire. Exception of a split rim. I have used both types of Coats tire mounting machines for years when I was a tire spinner for Goodyear. I suspect there is apprehension to the WW and getting them dirty. Technically the Corvette tire/rim with air pressure sensor is more difficult to dismount and mount than these WW will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Hanning Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 A simple way to overcome this issue is to place an ordinary inner tube in the "thin" tyre and inflate it until the problem tyre spreads and takes on a pregnant appearance, leave it like that for half an hour then deflate the tube and remove it. The bead of the new tyre should be spread far enough apart now to fit it to the rim. You don't even need a tyre machine to fit these tyres if you know what you are doing, lube the bead well and with the right technique using a rubber hammer they are easy to fit! Good luck,Mike HanningBCA #40630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wex65 Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 OK, I wanted to report back in the event it helps future members.I took the tires/wheels to a second place and got them fitted fine.To explain, the first place was a larger modern shop with many bays/tools/people. They had three people spend 60 minutes trying and failing. They used an air tank which blasts air into the tire but no luck. They finally ssaid "it cant be done" and gave up. The wrapping had been removed the day before so the tire was not as thin where it meets the rim as it had been the night before.Notably, when they first saw the tires they said 'we cant do that' but the manager go them to try. My heart sank when they said that, admiting defeat before starting the job...Anyway, I found another local place manned by a couple of older good ol' boys, in their 60s. A really small place that looks like it has been there since Abraham Lincoln was a teen. They were AMAZED the prior place couldnt do it.They set to work with TWO air tanks and had them all on in abour 45 minutes. Three went on first blast, the 4th tire took 5-6 attempts. They balanced them with all weight on the inside of the wheel and left NO marks on the whitewalls. I was so happy I tipped them 50% of the VERY cheap bill.I will admit the tires were tricky to get on BUT they did get them on.The trend I noticed a while back continues. Younger guys tend to start with a 'cant be done' attitude when they see somehting out of the ordinary, older guys just do it. To be clear, I am in my mid 40s so not in either camp and unbiased.I will post a couple of photos later today once it is light. The difference is stunning! I am VERY happy with them.Now to get some final bits done for Hershey...Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wex65 Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 Some shots of the newly fitted whitewalls. Needless to say, I am a happy camper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 She looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Heck yes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I have seen this trick used for large tires on Jeeps. Its the only way to seat the bead when out on the trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhambulldog Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Some shots of the newly fitted whitewalls. Needless to say, I am a happy camper![ATTACH=CONFIG]147517[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]147518[/ATTACH]Very Nice!!I hope you drive by the shop that said it couldn't be done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wex65 Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share Posted July 28, 2012 Very Nice!!I hope you drive by the shop that said it couldn't be done!I confess I did. I had a small trailer tire to pick up from them and decided to pick it up in the Buick. I saw them all looking at it and talking to each other but not one person approached me to ask WHO had fitted the tires. Not one to miss an opportunity, I explained when paying the bill who did it and how easy they found it.Re the lighter fluid tip above. The old guys said that was next on their list if the double cans of air didn't do it. I am happy not to have needed it!Now, the sun is shining and I have a clock not working and a gas gauge permanently showing empty...so out I go.Thanks for the feedback from everyone.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1956century Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I wrapped a ratchet strap around my Remingtons when mounting them. Once the tire was on, I pushed it down against one side of the wheel to somewhat get a seal on one bead. I then tightened up the strap as far as it would go to widen the tire. I had a helper inflate through the valve stem while I carefully pulled up on the tire (carefully, so as to not lift it off the bottom bead). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Falabella Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 By the same token..... couple of weeks ago called Mavis for tires for a Freightliner FL70(295R 22.5). They said they SELL them but can't mount them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prs519 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I have thunk better about my post regarding the "trick" using starting fluid as an instant seal maker, and have decided to delete the post for safety reasons. This is mainly because the temptation to use it on the smaller more difficult tires is high. In such cases, the gas tanks are located too near the problem tobe using a flame thrower and with this hot weather, it is just not a good idea. It would not be worth a burning experience to seat a bead. I apologize, some things are better left unsaid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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