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1940 & 1941 Buick Brunn Bodied Coachwork

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This isn't preaching to the choir, but I thought you may like to see from whence the Brunn Customs came;

the 140" whb Buick Series 90 Limited. The 1941 prestige brochure is the largest in my meager collection,

and the beautiful illustration below of the Model 91F Formal Sedan measures a whopping 14" long...

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Larger, Series 91F with 165hp, 320cid straight eight.

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Larger, the interior of the Limited Formal Sedan; small wonder Cadillac execs were jealous!

TG

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Benefits of AACA Membership.

Cadillac exces were more than just jealous, They were down right scared. That's why than ran to GM and complained about Buicks partnership with Brunn. If it weren't for Caddy the Brunn project would have been a success.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Hello To All.

Below you will see a scanned photo from the book, "The Buick A Complete History". The photo is of the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Bodied Brougham Town Car owned at the time by its first owner, Colonel LeRoy Berdeau.

If this is the same Town Car that has been mentioned in this thread and the same car that I have posted photos of; then this Town Car was also owned by Sidney Aberman, and Marv Tamaroff, also mentioned in this thread.

If Aberman and Tamaroff owned this car then it wold be the same Brunn Bodied Brougham Town Car photographed and last seen at the "Eyes On Design" car show in 1993 & 1994. Also mentioned in this thread.

As you can see, it is Gray as dynaflas8 indicated in his entry to this thread earlier, and without the spears on the fender skirts as I spoke of earlier in this thread.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Here is the magazine ad that Buick ran for several months to promote the 1940 Buick Townmaster. It is a common ad to us Buick collectors....but if you have not seen it before, here it is.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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QUOTE: Hello Dynaflash 8.

If the two tone car is yours you may recall the show. It was taken in 1993 or 1994 at the "Eyes On Classic Design" car show. It was held at the Edsel Ford Estate. UNQUOTE

Dave

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No, the two tone Limited (Lancaster Gray/French Silver Gray) was not mine in the 1990's. I sold it to a man in Illinois in 1981. I later heard it had migrated to a collector in Flint, MI. If you go on google to "1941 Buick Limited" (I think that's the key) you'll see a good picture of that car, taken somewhere, after I sold it. I restored it however. It came from California to collector Wally Rank of Milwaukee to me in 1973. I was told it had belonged to Gov. Goodwin Knight, but have since found out his was a different car, which is still unrestored and owned by a California collector. I took a photo of that car this past November in Palm Springs, CA

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As I have posted before on this thread, there was not A 1941 Buick Limited Brunn, but several of them, probably less than 10, according to Hermann Brunn himself. I have an 8x10 photo of two of them. I also have a photo of the 1941 Roadmaster convertible, taken at the Waldorf Astoria Auto Show that he sent to me. I have also heard the story that this car was at one time located in North Dakota. I had not heard that it burned, and hope somehow it survived. I also have a photo of the 1940 Brunn Roadmaster convertible which was given to me this past summer by the owner of the Townmaster. And yes, it does look an awful lot like the 1941 Roadmaster convertible body design. I also have a factory photo of a regular Fisher 1940 front end on a 1941 sedanette body, so I guess it wasn't all that difficult to change one front clip to another.

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Here are some pictures of the Towmaster today. They were taken in June 2009 by me. (Earl D. Beauchamp, Jr.)

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I can't seem to get more than one or two up upload at a time. This is one reason I don't post pictues often. I've got about 10 pictures of the car. I've got a picture of the owner and me too, but he might not like me posting, since he doesn't care for computers.

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I have two pictures of the driver's side of the car and neither one of them will upload. There must be some kind of a glitch in this system.

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dynaflash8:

We do not disagree on the number of 1941 Buick Limited Brunns produced. (Less than 10) If I have not been clear I apologize. What I have stated and what has been published in the book "The Buick A Complete History, is that the 1941 Buick Limited Town Car (that I have posted in this thread) was the second Brunn produced and the ONLY 1941 Town Car produced. There were other Brunn Bodied Limited's, just not town cars. It has also been published in the Buick book, that two Limited Brunn Landaus were built in addition to the Roadmaster convertibles

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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XP-300 - The other car I have a photo of was also a town car. It has an open cockpit, landau bars on the back over the the passengers. I have a photo with the back top up and the back top down. They are 8x10 photos in black and white. If trying to post these pictures of the 1940 Brunn is any indication of the problems, I'd never get them posted from my scanner. It is also cold in the garage, and I don't know exactly where they are in the file cabinet. I assume you can't get a copy of my 1971 AACA article. By the way, much of what appears in Terry Dunham's book was taken from my letters from Hermann Brunn and my article. In a later Edition of the book he does give me credits.

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I have lightened up the picture so as to see if it will upload, and it did. Whew! A computer guru I am not.

There is a radio in the trunk of the car, with a radio head located inside of the rear seat center armrest (I have a picture of that). There are buttons located on the passenger side rear arm rest. The owner stated he had never figured out what they were for; except, however, the rear radio has never been repaired so it will work. I sincerely doubt a wealthy owner would have been expected to open the armrest and manually tune the radio; although that would be possible. I think the push buttons in the arm rest are radio station selector push buttons.

The interior is intirely original. You can't see the divider window in the picture, but it's there. Only the fabric top over the driver has been replaced, and there is no radio in the dash. The Brunn nameplate can barely be seen at the front of the rocker panel in this picture.

The car has quite a few miles on it, and there is no data name plate on the firewall. The title lists the Brunn serial number as the ID number.

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Hello dynaflash 8.

I'm trying to find a copy of your article, so far unsuccessful.

Your quote "It has an open cockpit, landau bars on the back over the the passengers. I have a photo with the back top up and the back top down."

This would be considered a Landau not a Town Car. A Town Car would be a closed rear compartment that does not open.

Just a bit of technical semantics. We really are in agreement. Were just using different words.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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dynaflash8:

Your doing fine on your uploading.

Your also posting photos of the Townmaster never seen before.

This thread is going well. Thank you for your continued contribution.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Better yet, if you're an AACA member, which you should be, since it's the oldest and best club in the World, then you can call or email the AACA Library and for next to nothing they'll copy all 19 pages of the article and send it to you. Just go to Antique Automobile Club of America like you do when you go on the Forum, and read across the top and click on "Resources" and scroll down to AACA Library and click on that. It is the May-June 1971 issue of ANTIQUE AUTOMOBILE. This article represents the first definitive article on the Pre-War Buick Straight 8 that was ever written. It's called "The Early Buick Straight 8, and the Car That Curtice Built."

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dynaflash8:

Just amazing. Just amazing.

The Brunns had class not glitz.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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To allcars:

I came across and bought today the program book of the 1993 Eyes On The Classics car show. (Today it is called Eyes on Design) On page 61 it bears out allcars information that Marvin Tamaroff was the owner of the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Bodied Town Car. It lists Tamaroff as the owner and resident of Southfield, Michigan.

In this show "The Brunn" was entered in the Honored Marque Buick Class. Sadly there were no pictures of this car. The program book did show some photos of the 1992 winners. Some good photos of Buick concept cars and a write up to go with it.

Below is the photo of "The Brunn" taken at Eyes On Classic Show in 1993 and the cover of the program book.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Dave: The picture of the 1941 Brunn Landau Limited sedan with the top down appears in the book by Terry Dunham and Larry Gustin, called "The Buick, a Complete History". I don't know if I provided that picture or not....I certainly had it at one time. Did you get the picture of the car with the top up that I mailed to you? Earl

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Dynaflash8.

Not yet but mail has been slow lately. Today I received a letter that was mailed on Nov. 28 2009.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Hello To All:

The following was sent to me by John Scheib also know as jscheib in this thread.

The information he has provided is excellent and adds new information to The Brunn Thread.

Please read on with enjoyment. John did a fine job on research which included information from the AACA Library

 

 

TRACING THE DESIGN AND CREATION OF BRUNN BODIED CUSTOM BUICKS – 1940-1941

 

In 1940 Buick, anxious to provide a line-up of quality specialty cars, arranged to work with Brunn Coach Builders in Buffalo, NY. . Several references are used to list the source materials.

These are:

Dunham and Gustin, indicated by footnote 1

Earl Beauchamp, indicated by footnote 2

Terry Boyce, indicated by footnote 3

 

CAR 1 – 1940 -The first car produced was a 1940 – Buick commissioned Brunn to build a Townmaster on a 1940 Roadmaster chassis (reported as 126” wheelbase*3). It was painted Brewster Green with a Black top. Note that Standard Catalog of Buick (1903-1990), First Edition also indicated that two series of Limited were produced in 1940 with 133” wheelbase.

In the Antique Automobile*2 of May-June 1971, Earl Dunaway Beauchamp, Jr indicates that the original 1940 Townmaster was placed in “Brass Hat” service of Buick’s advertising executive, Arthur Kudner. It later was mounted on a 1941 Limited chassis (139” wheelbase) and refitted with some 1941 sheet metal and then returned to New York*1*2. It was later sold to Robert Blair, Buick’s NY Regional Manager.

There is an article by Terry Boyce*3 in Special Interest Autos, June 1979 called “Full-Dress Buick, The one and only Townmaster Lives” shows the car as it existed in 1976 (missing the fender skirts and lower side molding) after being hidden since near its construction. It was purchased in 1975 by a collector in Indianapolis and shown briefly in that area. When the Dunham/Gustin book was published in 2002, it was reported this car was owned by Dan Slowik of Westchester, IL.

I believe this car was last known owned by Sidney Aberman

 

CAR 2 - Also in 1940, Buick also had Brunn design and build on a 1940 Roadmaster chassis a convertible coupe with a sweepspear for Henry H. Bassett of Buick. It was painted Silver Grey with a red sweepspear and trim (including the cowl and grill insert.

It seems this car has not survived.

 

1941

In the early stages for the 1941 Model Year, Buick asked Brunn to prepare some preliminary renderings for as many as seven (7) different designs for custom built Buicks. From the seven renderings Buick selected four designs to incorporate into their 1941 catalog. The seven designs were:

1 – All Weather Cabriolet – open over driver, rear was “semi-collapsible touring” cabriolet

2 – All Weather Brougham – open over driver, seems ordinary rear with rear quarter (third) window

3 – Convertible Phaeton – with sweepspear

4 – Convertible Phaeton – without sweepspear

5 - Clear Vision Brougham – Open over driver, continuous windows at rear side, special framing, two-tone paint

6 – Formal Sedan – No 3rd window on sides, no trim at fender skirts

7 – Touring Cabriolet – Solid over driver and rear door– rear convertible, over passenger

 

The four designed for the catalog, with different names were (Durham and Gustin’s book used different names):

Type A – Cabriolet Sedan – Of the 7 Brunn designs, this seems to be most like No. 1

Type B - Three window town car – Of the 7, this seems most like No. 6 (this seems in conflict with the Dunham/Gustin book)

Type C – Landau sedan – Of the 7, this seems most like No. 7

Type D – Four door convertible – Of the 7, this seems most like No. 4

 

These are the four listed in Dunham and Gustin’s book (which do not seem to match the catalog)

I – Custom Town Car - based on Model 1 above, open over driver solid rear without Landau bars.

II – Custom Phaeton – based on Model 4 above

III – Custom Landau – based on Model 7 above, solid over driver, conv. Over passengers

IV – Custom Brougham – based on Model 1 above, but open over driver solid rear with Landau bars

 

Durham and Gustin report that in 1941 three Custom Buicks were built be Brunn.

 

 

CAR 3 - The first of the Brunn built bodies being not one of the proposed designs but a Convertible Coupe built on a Roadmaster chassis, for the 1941 New York Auto Show, October 1940. This was painted a rich Cinnamon Brown with Yellow trim (including the sweepspear of V shaped side panel. The history after the display is unclear, but it has been reported that one of the convertibles was consumed by a fire along a highway in North Dakota in the late 1950s*3. Boyce also indicates that two convertibles were built on 1941 Roadmaster chassis, but this may have been mistaken for the one 1940 Roadmaster convertible.

 

CAR 4 - The next (apparently the first for public sale) was an “All Weather Cabriolet” (named by Durham and Gustin), (Type A from the catalog) with Landau bar but deleted the spears on the wheel covers (or by Buick brochure Custom Brougham) for Colonel LeRoy Burdeau of Chicago and Palm Beach. This car had the trim on the rear wheel skirts deleted. Painted grey (apparently light grey) with black leather top.

It is believed this car was last owned by Marv Tamaroff of Michigan.

CAR 5 - The third (and reported last) was a Custom Landau (Type C from the catalog) built for the McCormick family of Chicago. It was painted a medium grey with painted black top with open rear. Boyce refers to this as a “semi-collapsible touring cabriolet”.

The present owner of this car is unknown, but it is believed to have survived.

 

CONCLUSIONS

It was reported that a Convertible Sedan (or Phaeton) appeared in the late 1940s around Baltimore. Could this have been the “Shirley Temple” car by Bohman & Schwartz and not one of the Brunn Body Buicks.

Also of note in the brochure there are two sketches of features at the rear window, but none of the cars noted have this third side window.

 

My conclusion, if Brunn had actually built more of the cars, the owner could probably have selected any of the features combined (within reason) especially since Buick backed out of the marketing (thanks to Cadillac) and likely relinquished some control over any likely selection by the buyer of certain design features.

The comments on the latest internet thread suggest that Mr. Brunn indicated that “more” cars were built, but at present there is no evidence.

 

An interesting side note in Mr. Boyce’s article was that Hermann C. Brunn indicated that with other manufacturers they had to rework many body panels but when Buick shipped a body for custom work, the unmodified panels (such as doors) could be used as they were delivered (a statement to Buick quality at that time).

by John Scheib

 

 

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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