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1940 & 1941 Buick Brunn Bodied Coachwork

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Hello to all.

I'd like to get a thread going on the 1940 and 1941 Buick Brunn Bodied Cars.

About 15 to 20 years ago I saw a listing for a 1941 Buick Brunn Bodied Brougham Town Car for sale in Hemmings. It was listed for $175,00 and ran for 3 or 4 months. That last time the ad ran the price dropped to $115,000. At the time the location of the seller was somewhere in Pennsylvania.

Does any one know the where abouts of this car, who owns it now etc. etc.? Did it land in the late John O'Quinn's collection?

It was a great Brunn bodied car and only one was made. I have never seen the car but several pictures.

Several years ago I saw the 1940 Buick Townmaster for sale on the internet. It was listed for somewhere around $115,000. The Townmaster was a Brunn Bodied Town Car on a Roadmaster chassis.

I understand this the car is in great condition.

Unfortuntaley for Buick and Brunn, Cadillac executives were weak in the knees over Buick competition and convinced GM that Buick should stay out of the "High Line" market. Buick would have had great success with those cars if GM had let them comtinue with Brunn.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

Any one out there with info on the 1941 Buick Brunn?

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door side mounted touring sedan

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Benefits of AACA Membership.

Here are two photos of the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Bodied Brougham Towncar. I found these on the internet. Does any one have info on this car. Who owns it now and where?

Thank you to all.

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door side mounted touring sedan

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Hello Dave,

Like you, I have had a strong interest in these cars and I the best I understand there are only two of the Brunn bodies cars built and both apparently survive today, but they are not often seen - lkely in private collections.

There were three or four other designed but never built. I would love to see one recreated, sort of, of one of the other designs that never wewre built - sort of what "could have been".

Lets hope some more info will develop for you.

John

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Hi John. I'm a member of the Minuteman Chapter. You guys to a great job in your part of New England. Keep up the good work on your yearly show. I have been to a few; always a good one.

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door side mounted touring sedan

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Dear Dave:

You are correct that the 1940 Townmaster car is in wonderful condition. It was purchased about 30 years ago by a BCA member and restored. So far as I know, he still owns the car. Since he is a low-key very private type guy and a friend, I won't use his name.

Regards, Dave Corbin

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The 1940 car has never been restored, although it is in superb original condition and owned by a BCA & CHVA member. I've tried to get him to re-join the AACA as well. We've known each other since 1966. I visited with the owner and the car this past July and have many pictures of it. It is incorrect (repeat NOT CORRECT) that only one 1941 car was built. I personally corresponded with Hermann Brunn in 1968, 1969, 1970 and 1971, and he sent me pictures of three different 1941 Buick Limited Brunn-bodied limos, and a 1941 Roadmaster convertible coupe. He told me at the time there were a half dozen or more of the cars built. In fact a Limited-Brunn convertible sedan was seen in Baltimore sometime in the late 1940s. You can read all about it if you can find the May-June, 1971 issue of ANTIQUE AUTOMOBILE magazine. The car advertised in Hemmings years ago came from the collection of the late Sidney Aberman, founder of the Buick Collectors Club of America, in Pittsburgh, PA. When that club folded (I was member #303), the California Chapter went national under the leadership of the late Greg Fallowfield (later known as Greg Field) as the Buick Club of America, Inc. (BCA), of which I am #55. Earl Beauchamp, Jr.

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The thread seems to be going well. The big question IS....Where is the car today? Who did Sidney Aberman sell it to and who owns it now?

If Brunn built more than a half dozen. How many survived and where are they today?

Regards.

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door side mounted touring sedan

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Hello to all again. I have come across a few more photos of the 1941 Buick Brunn Bodied Brougham Town Car. Please excuse the quality of the photos.

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door side mounted touring sedan

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My apologies to all.

I have been using the wrong user name.

I registered and joined the AACA back in 2008 and forgot that I registered a user name at that time.

In the continuation of this thread I'll be using XP-300 instead of X-100.

 

Below the 1940 Townmaster.

 

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

 

 

 

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Forgive me for not remembering all the details, but I recall a car for sale in California within the last year that was a custom Buick. The seller gave the body builder name which I think was Brunn, I sent a note to ask about the car. I seem to remember it being yellow with red interior and the seller said the custom work was minor... the front wing vents were removed and the front door windows were replaced with new ones that filled the gap.

Supposidly done for some movie star.... not a full blown custom Buick but done by a know body builder.

Does anyone else remember this car and was it Brunn?

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I've got original pictures of the 1941 Brunn-Limited that is pictured. If the back portion (with the landau bars) goes down it was originally a dark color. If it does not, it was probably silver. The pictures I received from Hermann Brunn are in black and white, and they are reproduced along with my article in ANTIQUE AUTOMOBILE magazine, produced May-June 1971. In one of the two pictures of the '41 Brunn posted on this thread, the two-tone gray car to the left of the Brunn appears to be my car,which I sold into Illinois in 1981. The picture on this thread of the 1940 Brunn is a glamour picture set up by the current owner, who still owns the car.

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Hi Barney.

I think the car was a 1940 Buick Limited Phaeton put up for sale by vaultcars.com If it's the same car, the photo is below. The custom work was done by Bohman & Schwartz Coach Builders. Your correct it was mild custom work. In my view it does not come close to the work performed by Brunn.

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Hello Dynaflash 8.

If the two tone car is yours you may recall the show. It was taken in 1993 or 1994 at the "Eyes On Classic Design" car show. It was held at the Edsel Ford Estate.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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The 1941 Buick Brunn Custom Brougham town car belonged to Buick dealer and collector Marv Tamaroff when shown at Eyes on Design and other metro Detroit area events in the mid-1990s. He has since sold off a number of his Buicks and classics. I do not know if he still has the Brunn car.

I wrote an article about the 1940 Brunn Townmaster for Special Interest Autos #51 (June 1979). I first became aware of the car in the mid-1960s, through the 1940 National Geographic ad dedicated to its promotion. In the mid-1970s, I recognized the car in a listing of six estate vehicles advertised in a Sunday NY Times classified ad. A couple of years later, I was pleased to encounter the beautifully original Townmaster on the show field at an Indianapolis car show. The photos accompanying my SIA article were taken there. The car belonged at that time to an Indiana hotel owner/car collector (now deceased). Not long after that, it was obtained by the present owner, a very keen Buick enthusiast. He has kept it well conserved, I understand.

An excellent article on the Townmaster when new appeared in a 1940 issue of Buick Magazine.

There are also photographs and illustrations of 1940 and 1941 Roadmaster Convertibles with Brunn custom bodywork. The bodies are quite similar and I have wondered if there was perhaps actually only one body built, which might have been updated to a 1941 configuration. During the mid-1970s, I talked several times with a Buick collector from the Fargo, ND area who told me he had owned the 1941 Brunn Roadmaster Convertible in the mid-1950s. He said the car burned up after catching on fire while he was driving it, due to a fuel leak. That was in 1958, if I recall his story correctly.

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Barney,

The car you are thinking of is a 1940 Buick Limited convertible sedan that was modified by Bohmann & Schwartz to convert the car from a convertible sedan into a true phaeton with side curtains and wind wings. The work was said to have been commissioned by a Hollywood movie studio.

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Hello Allcars:

You have brought in a very interesting story and history on the "Brunns" to this thread. I'm not sure but it may have been Marv Tamaroff who placed the for sale ad in Hemmings some 15 to 20 years ago. This would have been about the same time it was on display at the Eyes on Design show.

I surmise. "The Brunn" is still around somewhere with a very private collector. It's my hope it "comes out" so that more of us can see and enjoy this marvelous custom Buick.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Hello.TG57Roadmaster

I have a 1941 Buick Limited catalogue as you. Your right; It's pricey but a great Buick Limited collectible. I enjoy your posts and photo uploads. Keep up the good work.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Dave,

No, I haven't seen any of the Brunns, but will share a period photo of the Townmaster in the Flint Buick showroom soon. Thanks for the good words, and for starting this informative thread.

TG

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Hello to all.

Here is some of the info that this thread has provided on the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Bodied Brougham Town Car.

A. It was once owned by Sidney Aberman, founder of the Buick Collectors Club of America, in Pittsburgh, Pa.

B. When the "The Brunn" was listed for sale for 3 or 4 months in Hemmings some 15 to 20 years ago, the first listing had a phone number from Pa. .

C At some point ownership shifted to Marv Tamaroff a Buick dealer and collector from the Michigan area. It was shown at the" Eyes on Design" car show in Michigan, during 1993 and 1994.

D. 1993 or 1994 is or is about the time it was listed in Hemmings. The last two ads in Hemmings, the phone number to call on "The Brunn" was in Michigan.

E. In the May - June 1971 issue of Antique Automobile fellow member and Buick owner Earl Beauchamp, Jr. wrote an article with photos on the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Bodied Brougham Town Car.

F. According to Mr. Beauchamp "If the back portion (with the landau bars) goes down it was originally a dark color. If it does not, it was silver" .

G. The back portion DOES NOT GO DOWN as this is a Town Car.

H. I think it is safe to assume that the first owner of "The Brunn" was Colonel LeRoy Burdeau of Chicago and Palm Beach Florida . (Please see Chapter 11 in the book The Buick A Complete History) It shows "The Brunn" as a silver or gray Town Car and lists the owner as Colonel LeRoy Burdeau, and that the car was ordered in gray.The photo shows "The Brunn" without the spears on the fender skirts: common on 1941 Buicks at the time. The photo below shows "The Brunn" without the spears. (This photo was taken in 1994 at "Eyes on Design" car show in Michigan. I think it is safe to say the car was repainted.

I. The book Buick A Complete History indicates that this "Brunn" was the SECOND Brunn produced.

J. I feel it is safe to say the "The Brunn" has had the following owners. Colonel LeRoy Burdeau, Sidney Aberman, and Marv Tamaroff .

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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Dave, I have no new information to contribute to the discussion, but want to thank you for initiating the topic, since these Buick Brunn customs have long been a source of fascination for me.

I recall the ad for one of the 1941 Brunns when listed for sale in Michigan. If I am not mistaken, the asking price at the time was $175,000.

I'm disappointed that we've not seen these cars at the Buick National Meets. I had particular hopes that the 1940 Townmaster and any surviving 1941 Brunns would appear at the Buick Centennial Meet in Flint in 2003, but, unfortunately, none of these spectacular automobiles were displayed.

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XP-300 & all,

When I bought it 20 years ago at Hershey, I was told this photo was from the main Buick dealer in Flint, MI.

Among all the 1940 models, at the upper left you'll notice the Brunn Townmaster, showroom new.

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TG

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Hi TG57Roadmaster.

Great photo, great custom bodied car, at a price tag of $3750 in 1940. A BIG sum of money then.

The thread is going well. I hope more will come forward to contribute with new info and stories. We all will find the 1941 Limited Town Car yet.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

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1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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To Brian Lawrence:

I too was surprised that the Townmaster did not show at the 2003 national since it is owned by a fellow BCA member.

I am hopeful that this thread in time will "flush out" the 1941 Limited Town Car. It's a car for all to enjoy and see.

Who else has owned the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car and who owns it now?

"Have you seen the 1941 Buick Limited Brunn Town Car ?"

Dave

BCA 26773

1938 Buick Special 4 door sidemounted touring sedan

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