Steve Braverman

I always thought car competed against a point system, and not against each other.

How does one get a copy of the winners book?

Wow, even uglier with the top up.

Whoever judged this car and awarded it a first has no business judging cars of this type. There is something very wrong in almost every photo. The paint is a non-authentic color, the upholstery is wrong, it has sealed-beam headlights, and the door handles are wrong. Even though it is a PA Thrift model, I believe the interior trim should be wood-grained, not painted metallic blue. The front bumper medallion is upside down. It has a home-made number plate attached to the firewall with pop rivets, and it's crooked. It has what looks like a modern light switch drilled into the dash, along with incorrect dash knobs. I know the PA Thrift had a lot of differences from the regular PA to lower the price, so somebody please let me know if I'm wrong.

I don't know how this thing won a national first. If it looks this bad in photos, it must look even worse in person. There are so many details wrong. Plymouth:eBay Motors (item 110457408916 end time Nov-23-09 17:08:18 PST) I wonder if somebody just stuck the plaque on the car.

I made one for a Franklin I once owned. It can be made from drill rod, but make sure you harden the ends, or it will wear quickly.

I need an inside door handle for a touring or Demi-Sedan.

Remember, opinions are like, well.. you know, everyone has one. The top material from Bill Hirsch with the black backing is better than the stuff with the white backing from LeBaron Bonney and others. My opinion. BTW, the material is not on Bill Hirsch's web site, but he has it. You will have to call. I got mine from him last Summer.

The roof on both of my cars is vinyl with what is called Cobra grain. Easy to get from Bill Hirsch. As for the radio antenna, the wire that you thought was a ground is actually an antenna wire to allow the chicken wire to function as an antenna. The wire should run down to the right front kick panel area. Most cars of the era were so-equipped. The car in the pics is my Franklin. I haven't done the Plymouth roof yet.

You are correct. The book calls for a gap of .031. Franklin has to make things complicated and add the extra one thousandth to good luck

Do you have an Instruction Book? If not, the Franklin club probably has re-prints. I believe the gap should be .020, but I the book is out in the barn, and I will check tomorrow. I do know that the gap is very critical for decent running. We have two series 10s, and Champion W-18 plugs seem to run best.

Wheel cylinders are available new from Andy Berbaum.

You just described almost every car made between 1920 and 1935. Can you provide any pictures?

I forget what the truck is, but I recognize the photo. This was part of Henry Austin Clark's collection.

Franklin made a two-door, four-passenger roadster, and there is one with a California top in, of all places, California.

I was wondering where this post was going when I saw the title. That's great! :eek:

Unless the men were midgets, the car appears too big to be a Saxon.

It looks correct for the Franklin, but I think it's a rear bumper mounted on the front of the car.

I'm a Liberal and I drive a Dodge

On all of my cars, the front bumper is quite a bit shorter than the rear.

I think he is looking for Buffalo-type wheels. Not only are they acceptable, but they are very sought-after. I have also seen Moons with steel disc wheels. These may appear sportier, depending on your idea of sporty.

Apple Hydraulics They are good. I have used them. They did everything on my Franklin in brass.

The difference is in the way the shoes are anchored. The Packard has modern style, floating, self-energizing brakes, where on the early Chryslers, the shoes are both anchored to the backing plate.

If you have any old documentation that may include the car's serial number, the Franklin club keeps a registry of all known cars. The registry currently shows only 18 known 1907 cars in existence, none are in the southwest.

Sometimes I amaze myself with my own stupidity. The Instruction Book for my Plymouth is sitting right in front of me on my desk, and it has the exact same illustration in it. I learn something new every day.