Lozierman

I think Layden nailed it. The use of an extra seat located above the running board was not a common practice. I know Lozier used this on their toy tonneau, the Briarcliff model, and I have seen it used on a Locomobile. I never saw it used on any year Cadillac. It is a very nice car and looks almost new in the photo.

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Not a Model N Ford. The fenders are not correct for an N, but are probably correct for a model R or even an S. This would make it no older than a 1907 Ford.

Yes, I'm very interested. Please send me a message to my e-mail address. I would also like to see some pictures and how much you are asking. Thanks! Lozierman@Comcast.net

My parents don't remember what it was called in the 50's. It was called Avalon Auto Sales when they were selling VWs. At least they were using that name in 1977 when we bought our 1976 Scirocco from them. Sorry I can't be of any more help.

Yes, that is the guy! Max Borgeson was the owner of the dealership in White Center. They moved farther south than SW 124th. They had a son that my wife graduated with their son, Max Jr. You are a fantastic detective. Now provide me information on Lozier parts so I can finish a project that has been with me since 1967.

Chris, Wow! I am impressed withn your knowledge on Dusenbergs. I probably have a similar knowledge on the surviving known Loziers. Anyway, I forgot to mention another local, WA state, Dusenberg and wonder what happened to it. I am referring to the convertible sedan owned by our local guy, Gil Duffy. Gil lived in South Seattle, Burien and had owned it for more than 50 years as best I remember. Thanks in advance for your next response.

I just spoke to my mother about the Cadillac. She doesn't remember exactly when they bought it, and it might have been in 1950. It was a used car when it was bought. Both of my parents are 84 years old, and things are a little fuzzy after all those years. She did say dad had left the keys in while it was parked in their driveway! They did get it back and continued to drive it for a couple of years after that. The car dealer was located on 16th SW. I think it was about the 9000 block. When they sold VWs, it was called, "Avalon Auto Sales". The owner was Max Borland, (sp?) UPDATE!!!! I was just getting ready to send this when my mom called and said the story was wrong. Yes dad had looked at the Tucker at the dealer on 16th SW, but hadn't bought the Cadillac until 1952. In fact between the time he looked at the Tucker, probably in 1950, and when he bought the Cad in 1952, he had purchased a brand new 1951 Kaiser from another car dealer in White Center, but they were located on 17th Ave SW. It seems my dad went through a lot of cars back then. He was born in 1926, so he was in his mid 20s when all of this was going on. My parents celebrated their 66 wedding anniversary this past November. Dad has had a lot of cars over the years. We never counted how many, but I suspect it would be well over 100 by now, probably close to 150! His buying has slowed down the past few years. In fact his last purchase was a 2007 GMC Denali. It still has less than 1000 miles on it. I suspect the White Center Tucker was number 1019, and when dad looked at it, it was in 1949 or 1950. Thanks for your interest, and for causing my parents to make a pleasant trip down "memory land".

That has got to be almost as rare as a Tucker convert! Was this found by the same person?

Chris, Thanks for your comments. Sorry for my spelling errors in my posting, especially the spelling of "Duesenberg". Your posting jogged my memory and of course you are right. It was Harold Wynn who owned this car here in Seattle. In your opinion, was the price he received a good buy in 1972 for his car? I would like to let my dad know. By the way, I also knew of 3 other Duesenbergs here in the Seattle area around this time. A sedan owned by Dean Spencer; another sedan, and a convertible coupe, but I don't remember the names of those owners. Do you have any records on those cars and where they are now? Thanks again.

In 1970 I made trip from Seattle to Mass. in the quest of Lozier parts. To defray costs I hauled some parts from Seattle to Al Ferrara in Ohio. Al was kind enough to show me his collection and had four Dusenbergs. After getting back to Seattle my dad and I heard of a Dusenberg for sale in the Seattle area. The asking price was $25,000. It was owned by a guy who sold trailers in the South Seattle area, near the airport. Even before I looked at it, I called Al and offered him the lead. At that time he wasn't interested. I tried to talk my dad into buying it, but he liked Model A Fords, ( they were fun and a lot cheaper!). I kept after him to at least go and look at it and finally after a few months of my hounding, he called the guy to check up on the Duesy. By a very odd coincidence the owner told my dad that the car had been sold, the day before! He said it had been offered to several local collectors but no one was interested. He did say we could come over and look at it before it was to be shipped to Albequerqe? We went and looked at it. It was modified with additional metal on the front fenders making skirts on them. I also remember the grill had been modified with more metal. The owner said these changes were made before he got the car because supposedly this car was involved in a wreck with one of the Dusenberg brothers at the wheel. It was a convertible coupe with rumble seat. The front fenders and grill were the only modifications I remember. I think it was painted green. The owner told us he had told everyone he wanted $25K, but had no takers. Then he got a call from a guy in NM who wanted to come up a see it. He did and when he asked how much, the owner said $30K on a whim and the guy said, "Okay". The owner was shocked and happy. The new buyer said he was sending a truck to get it the following week. We got to see it just in time. I told my dad several times we should have bought it! Oh well! There is a little more to the story...the owner had taken the Dusenberg in on trade for a new trailer in about 1958. He also took on trade toward the same trailer, a 1930 Pierce Arrow four door sedan, and a Pierce Arrow travel trailer. He allowed $500.00 for each item in trade!!!! I never saw the PA travel trailer, but he did end up storing the PA sedan in my dad's large garage for about 15 years. I know this isn't much info regarding the Dusenberg, but I am wondering if it is enough for anyone to figure out what happened to it and where it is now? I failed to take any pictures of it. I often remind dad of the value of a Dusey today verses the Model A's we had back then, even though we had several roadsters, sedans and a touring.

I again spoke to my dad tonight about the Tucker he passed on in the early 50's. As I said he bought a used Cadillac instead. I mentioned the dealer became a Volkswagen dealer in White Center, (south of Seattle). The owner of the dealership was a man named Max Borgerson. Dad doesn't remember the name of the dealership before he sold VWs. The Cadillac dad bought was a 1950 four door sedan. As I mentioned it was stolen and recovered in eastern WA. The thiefs had used it until it ran out of gas. They did no damage to it, and my parents continued to drive it for many years after getting it back. I agree the value of the Tucker compared to the Cadillac isn't comparible in today's dollars, but back then the cars were being sold for almost the same amount. Go figure!

I was telling me dad about these comments regarding Tuckers here on the AACA website. He mentioned he looked at one here in the Seattle area, actually White Center a suburb of Seattle, back in the early 50s. It was for sale on a car dealer's lot. He thinks it was a silver blue color, but maybe wrong in the exact color after all this was many years ago. He looked at buying it, but bought a used Cadillac instead. A few years later the Cadillac was stolen, but recovered in eastern Washington where it was abandoned after running out of gas! Wonder if the Tucker could have made it that far? The car dealer went on to sell Volkswagens, and in fact my wife bought a new 1976 Sirocco from him. This dealership is no longer in business.

Although I didn't see it identified. I did spot the 1913 Lozier model 72 that was owned by Rod Blood. It was a custom bodied Lozier. It was sold to the late Don Harter who restored it to a Briarcliff touring. This was a cover car on the AACA magazine more than 40 years ago. It was part of the Seal Cove collection. I understand it was sold and is now in California. I also believe the custom body still exists, but it is not on a car at the present time.

I went to the Cadillac-LaSalle show this past Sunday in Tacoma WA. Saw your car and took several pictures. It is a great car! I tried to attach a photo, but it wouldn't take. I have a good picture of the windshield frame.

Lozier came out with a 6 in 1908. It was a T-head design. There is still one left.

Eric has an ad on the Horseless Carriage web site. He is selling a 1911 Ford. His phone number is listed too. The e-mail address is available if you click on his name.

Model A Ford. 1928-31.

I don't think this a Model A Ford. Too many differences besides the wheels. I see non Ford headlights, door handles, tail light, and the fenders don't even look like right to me. The radiator ornament lloks like a backwards quail. Hopefully, others will chime in and identify it.

Please don't thin k my comments were meant as criticism toward Peter. I think he does a great job and NO! I wouldn't want his job! My opinion is just an opinion and was only serving to express my thoughts that perhaps a vote might be in order rather than each person taking the time to write out their opinion on the matter. Thanks.

I am disappointed that these changes were made by the WM. I really enjoyed the original format created by T-Head. What ever happened to the adage of...if it ain't broke, don't fix it! If the majority agrees, won't it make sense to return the format as it was done originally? If there is a legitimate reason for the changes made, I haven't been convinced by ready the material presented. Just my opinion, but lets make this a democratic decision. How about a vote over a week's timeframe to see what the "group" wants? Thanks for the ability to voice my opinion.

In the Fall of 1969 I happened upon a guy in North Seattle who had quite a few old cars on his property. I stopped and spoke to him and told him I was looking for an engine for a 1910 Lozier. He didn't have one but told me he had an old car engine that I could buy to use in my car until I found the right one. It was buried under a wood pile against one of his buildings. I was abel to uncover enough to see it had exposed valves and since he said the price was only $200.00, I said I'll take it. The motor was on a wooden skid and since he lived on a hill with a road down below I decided with the help of my dad a few of his friends we could slide it down the hill and lift it into my truck. This was on a Wed. when I found it, and I knew I wanted it home quickly so I arranged for my dad and a couple of his friends to come with me on Friday after work to retrieve my find. We got there while it was still light out and immediately uncovered the engine. After it was totally visible we noticed it said Thomas cast into the two cylinder jugs. The seller suddenly remembered it was a Thomas Flyer engine that had been sent to Seattle as a spare for the Great Race! Wrong! It wasn't, and although he wanted to now keep it, I reminded him we had made a deal so he sold it to me, after I had to pay an additional $9.00 for sales tax. (I'm sure the governor never got that money). Anyway, we slide it down the hill, loaded it and took it home. After unloading it, I found out the motor was able to be turned over and was in remarkable shape. I then looked through back issues of Hemmings to see it I could find any Thomas parts. Looking through a current issue under Wanted, was a picture of that very engine! I quickly contacted that party and found out they had a complete chassis but needed the engine. We struck a deal over the phone, and a couple of days before Christmas he and a friend loaded the engine in their El Camino and drove back to California. The Thomas was from a Thomas Detroit, 1907/08. It has been restored and was Harrah's collection at one time.

Just a guess, but I think it might be a 1903 Autocar.

The milk truck reminds me of a Traffic truck. The icesaw was made froma Model T Ford.

Do a Google search for a 1909 Austin and you will see what made me identify this mystery auto as an Austin. An Oldsmobile Limited had a long hood too, but the hood was much taller. The Austin motor sat on a sub-frame which made it sit lower in the chassis allowing for a shorter, in heighth, hood. There are more Limiteds left than 6 cyl. Austins. In fact I had a 6 cyl Limited motor at one time that is now in the 7th known Limited out of about 500 produced.