Lozierman

Obviously it has been significantly modified from what it was originally. Saying that, the length of the hood reminds me of an early 6 cylinder Austin, about 1909 vintage. I suspect the wheels have been modified too as early 36 or 37 inch tires were hard to find when this car was "made". I will be watching to see what the others think.

As 1937hd45 said, it has similarities to a Cadillac frame of 1910-1915 era, but it is NOT a Cadillac frame. Loziers also used the platform rear spring set up as well as the bottle neck frame from the transmission forward. But this diffently NOT a Lozier either. It is right hand drive, but having the tie rod portion in front of the axle is unusual as this would be prone to damage. The welded cross member is unusual, as is the subframe assembly. The rear contracting brakes might be clue too. The knowledge base on early chassis such as this is getting scarce. Hopefully, someone will identify this. It looks to be very solid and very well worth saving. Where are you located? Is it for sale?

Peter, I'm here in Washington State. Haven't done anything with my Chandler project this year, but then the year isn't over either! Unfortunately, I won't be attending Hershey this year so I won't make the annual meeting. I look forward to hearing about all the fabulous Chandler finds. I also wondered about the newsletter. When can we expect another issue? Anyone????

Looks like a Pope Hartford. I'd say about a 1910.

Steve, Do you know if any progress is being made in restoring another Limited? I am referring to the one I supplied an engine to several years ago. All I had was the engine. It originally came from a barn in Maine where it had been stored since the 30s. The man I sold the engine to had another Limited and enough parts to complete another using that engine. I spoke to him at Hershey a few years back and he was working on it, but hadn't finished it. Does he still have it? How close to being done is it? As you notice I am not using his name due to privacy concerns.

Thank you for agreeing with me nzcarnerd. I only claim to be an expert on Loziers, but I do really like all brass era autos too. It is too bad no examples of the S&M Simplex survived as it looks like a quality car. I also really liked the photos of the Columbia. I bet a factory delivered car never was done that nice.

How about a 1906/7 S & M Simplex? After all, they were built in Manhattan, New York located at 614 East 83rd Street.

Look like 26 or 27 Ford rear fenders to me. The two are probably for a touring, left rear. the singlr is probably for a roadster, coupe or roadster pickup. Am I wrong?

Paige.

Noel, Well I guess it is not a Kissel radiator, but it sure looks similar. No, I am not the Turner with the 1912 Mitchell. That was Jack Turner, no relation. He has passed on. Perhaps by my name you can tell I have a Lozier. It is a 1913 Model 77 touring. Good luck on identifying the radiator.

Do a Google search for Kissel and look at pictures of about a 1911 or 12 radiator. I think this might be a Kissel radiator. Is it all brass, or just the water fill portion?

You should contact the Henry Ford Museum. In the early 70's they traded a 1911 Lozier touring for a 1907 Rapid. It was a bus and was restored by Ken Pearson. Ken lives in Ill. They might still have the Rapid.

1910 or 1911 Winton.

There are several car makers that used the platform rear spring set up as shown in those photos. A few that I am familiar with include: Cadillac, early Chandler and Lozier. I am leaning toward thinking the chassis shown are actually Cadillac. I suspect the vintage is about 1913 or 1914. It would aid if an engine/transmission was shown, or even a hubcap. I have a 1913 Lozier with this type of platform spring setup, but other details do not point to this being Lozier. The frame looks to be too short for a 6 cylinder motor. I also have a 1914 Chandler, but the platform rear spring was not used after 1913. I don't think this is a 1913 Chandler because the frame seems to be too short for a 6 cylinder motor which is what all early Chandlers used. I also note the horn button on the steering wheel hub and this wasn't used by Chandler on their early cars. I did notice a fatman steering wheel on the closeup picture. Too bad the steering wheel is covered as this would also help with making a proper ID. I don't have much early Cadillac literature, but I suspect this is Cadillac, and it would have been for a 4 cylinder motor. Since it is left hand drive would this make it a 1913 or 1914 since Cadillac came out with their V-8 motor in 1915. Hopefully, a Cadillac expert with provide more info.

Wasn't a Lambert another friction drive car?

I had the pleasure of meeting Al in 1970. I was on my way to pick up a Lozier chassis in Ct. I had let many Seattle area collectors know of my trip and was lucky enough to haul a Stevens-Duryea engine, transmission, front and rear axles including 27" wire wheels to him. He lived in a very nice area in Ohio. I arrived late one night and he and his son helped me unload the parts, these parts were extras for one of his cars. He then took the time to show me his collection, including 4 Duesenbergs, one of which was an SSJ. Was it Cooper's or Gable's? I don't remember. He wasn't a braggard at all, he just loved cars and sharing his stuff with a young collector. His hauling bill paid for my trip to CT and back to Seattle. A couple of years later I called him to see if he was interested in purchasing a Duesenberg I had found here in Seattle. The price was only $25K, but he said no. I guess he had enough of them in his collection at that time. He was a very nice guy. I feel sorry for his family.

This is an easy one for me. Although I have a 1913 Lozier Model 77 touring, my lust is for a 1910-11 Model I Briarcliff. This is the large six cylinder one with brass lights, no front doors and a seat on the left running board for the chauffer to sit when the owner wanted to drive. I cannot imagine sitting in that seat when the car was going 60+ mph! The lines and performance of this car is wonderful. Too bad there weren't more that survived. They were well made and were very popular with the very wealthy during their time.

It is a Teetor-Hartley engine. This same engine was shown on Prewar.com a couple of years ago. It was used in various cars such as an American Underslung, Pilot, and others. Of course this is missing the manifolds.

My guess is a 1926 Nash. Model 696? It looks rather new in the photo.

I found a picture of a 1904 Thomas but to me the radiator seemd a little different. It had flares on the bottom that this radiator is lacking. I did see a strong resemblance to a 1906 Mitchell model B 4. Then again, maybe it is actually a foreign auto.

While the actual picture is slightly warped, as this is a right hand drive Maxwell. I'm guessing, but I think it is about 1908. Any other thoughts, guesses?

Sir, Do a Google search for a 1914 Oldsmobile and I think you will discover this is a Model 54 touring. Nice photo and it would be a great car to own and drive today!

I think you are wrong on the size of rims you might need. As I understand, the size of the rim is determined b doubling the width of the tire and subtracting this amount from the diameter of the tire, thus a tire of size 34X4 would require a 26" rim. 30X3.5 would use a 23" rim. etc. Can anyone else add or modify my post?

I used to subscribe to Hemmings. I started a subscripton back in the mid-60's. I was even getting my copy each month by Air Mail, then by First Class Mail to get the bargains. I knew when it was scheduled to arrive and once in hand, I would read it cover to cover the rest of the evening. I made some excellent buys from this publication, but in the mid to late 90's the quality, or lack of finding early car parts started to wane. I let my subscription expire several years ago because I just didn't see the value....lacking enough ads for early car parts verses the cost. I do buy a copy a couple of times a year, just to see if things have changed....in my opinion, they haven't. I'm sure it has value for many of today's collectors, but not for me. My latest collector car is a 1958 FI Corvette, and my earliest is a 1913 Lozier. I enjoy Hershey, searching Ebay, this forum, the HCCA website and reading both the Gazette,and the Antique Automobile publications. Just sharing my $.02.

1924-26 Nash.