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A Woolf Members 104 46 posts Posted November 1, 2020 This is one my favorite early American photos that I have collected. It is what appears to be a brand new 1912 American Tourist. The Tourist was the intermediate size four cylinder car in the American lineup for a couple of years. The earlier Americans were well decorated with two tone paint and lots of striping. They didn't reserve the flash! Alan

A Woolf Members 97 41 posts Posted November 1, 2020 Guys, The photo of the American Underslung badge is the one on my personal car. I won’t give out a lot of information about it right now but suffice it say it is a later six cylinder American touring. It is currently under restoration and I have decided not to reveal much about it until the car is finally ready to debut. The car found me a lot more years ago than I care to think about but with the help of my father and brothers the car is slowly coming back to life. As best as I can determine there are about 32 Americans that still exist. They built cars that were the size of a Model T Ford all the way up to a big six cylinder touring. The remaining cars are a mix of the different types of Americans. There were in business from 1906 to 1914 and there are no existing records that I am aware of that gives the production numbers for American. Best guess is they produced about 4000 cars. And for the Stutz guys Harry C. was one of the principals of the company early in its life. The first cars built by American were on a “conventional” chassis (one of those still exists). The Underslung idea was not conceived by Stutz but by Fred Tone who was the chief engineer of the company at the time. Stutz left the company pretty early on and went to Marion. Another American innovation was the full floating rear axle. As I understand it they never patented the idea and it was widely copied. Unfortunately I cannot say I have driven or even ridden in an American Underslung. That should change pretty soon as the restoration of my car proceeds. Likely the reason few cars are seen on the road today is they are quite rare and several of the cars are locked up in long term collections. But there is some documented and anecdotal evidence that Americans were driven and driven successfully. In July 1913 American Motors Company entered two Type 644 touring cars (six cylinders, 4 passengers) in the Indiana–Pacific Indiana Automobile Manufacturers Association (I.A.M.A.) tour. The tour covered a route from Indiana to California. Seventeen cars representing every automobile manufacturer in Indiana participated in the tour. They included a Marmon, two Marions, a Pilot “60,” two Haynes, two Americans, a McFarland, two Appersons, two Hendersons, an Empire, a Pathfinder “40,” and two Premiers. Two trucks went along to carry extra equipment; one carried an entire load of spare tires. According to a more recent book written about the tour the Americans made the trip with few problems. The biggest challenge for all manufacturers was apparently tires. The red touring in the photo early in this post is a 1913 Type 56 American. It is a four cylinder car, 500 cu in. L head engine, four speed transmission, six passenger touring on a 140 inch wheelbase chassis. It was found by Dr. Frank Miller in the late 40’s. It was a 7000 mile car that was running and driving. The car was driven by Dr Miller on some of the early Revival Glidden Tours and made an appearance at the AACA Devon Show. In an article in the Antique Automobile Dr Miller reported: “The 5-3/8 x 5-1/2 four-cylinder motor built by the Teetor Hartley Co. (forerunners of the Perfect Circle Corp.) develops 50 horsepower at 1,000 revolutions. She can, and frequently does, exceed 65 m. p. h., and her large wheels turn so slowly that it is easy to count the motor revolutions up to 40 m. p. h. We drove her over 1300 miles on the round trip from Glendale, Ohio to the Devon Meet where we joined the Glidden Tour last fall. Returning from the tour we covered over 270 miles in one day’s run. She steers very well and her four speed selective transmission is a joy in traffic with its direct drive in fourth and a very easy drop into third gear for quick acceleration. The Rayfield carburetor compensates nicely from idling to full throttle and gives from 9 miles per gallon in traffic to over 13 miles per gallon over the road.” Somewhere along the way the car made its way to California and has been painted red and black. It won an award at Pebble Beach a few years ago. It would be interesting to know how many miles are on its odometer today. One of the last Americans built before the company went out of business was the Type 666 (yes that is for real) and only one still exists. It is a six cylinder car, 572 cu in. T head engine, four speed transmission, six passenger touring on a 140 inch wheelbase chassis. That particular car was in Case Reserve Museum for years and is now in a private collection in Indiana. I talked to the owner a number of years ago and he told me that he had just completed a 600 mile with the car. He said the odd shift pattern took some getting used to and he had to replace a fan belt but it performed just fine. This particular car is more preserved than restored and hasn’t suffered from a lot heavy handed mechanics over the years. I think the takeaway is that an American is probably a good road car. That assumes the car is original and well maintained or a restored car that is well sorted. And that is true of any prewar car. Poor mechanical conditional does not mean trouble free touring. The American Underslung is one of the most eye catching brass era cars ever built. It is a shame that more have not survived. Also if you are interested in more information about American Underslung Walter Seely wrote two different articles that were published in the Antique Automobile. The first was in the July-August 1972 Antique Automobile (Vol. 36 No. 4) and gives a good history of the company and the marque. The second article was in the Sept-October 1980 Antique Automobile (Vol. 44, No. 5) and he tells the story of first seeing the four Americans owned by the Deemer family. Seely made a deal with the family to restore the cars with understanding he would get one of the cars. The car Seely restored and owned is in currently in the Bill Rich collection in Pennsylvania. Copies of these magazines were available through the national AACA office a few years ago and they turn up on Ebay from time to time. Alan

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You sold a car and have no clue as to the buyer's name or address. Then you continue to pay registration for a vehicle you do not have any longer. Then you want the government to keep track of vehicles across state lines to help you out. As if that is a responsibility of the Federal Government. For your information the states have a right to operate independently and enact their own laws. People who want to do business across state lines need to deal with it and figure it out. What does the Constitution say about the responsibility of the Federal Government? Does it say keep track of all vehicles, VINs, and owners nationwide? The fact is you can look up VIN's of cars registered in California. Just the VIN alone can get you the license plate number, the year, make, and any back registration due, but not the owner's name or address. This may be useful to some people. For purposes of your situation you can ignore it.

Tax is 9.5% for me. A 10% "Buyer's Premium" essentially.

The way Ohio does that makes sense. If the sale takes place in Ohio the title transfer should happen there. And no sales tax till you get it back to your home state.

Here is the California DMV VIN lookup tool. If the VIN is active in the system it will tell you how much the fees to purchase it would be, including back unpaid registration fees if any. So it may be useful if you want proof your car was sold to a California buyer, it will tell you if the VIN is active in the California DMV computer system. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/wasapp/FeeCalculatorWeb/usedVehicleForm.do Gives you a result like this. All I did was put in the VIN for my car, nothing else, no owners name or anything. It gives the Make, year, and transfer fees due if I were to buy it.

This thread is utterly ridiculous

I liked it best when it was a Hurst

How about putting it on a triumph spitfire, those are ugly anyway http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/sparks-1978-triumph-spitfire/7123788943.html

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56371 - 3 Ton Part Number 61196, 61197 - 6 Ton Part Numbers

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Winning Bid: $68,000 Pretty good, about what you'd expect I'd think.

That's the same type carrier I use for my cat. It's medium dog size.

Only 5 minutes left $56,500 CURRENT BID: $59,500 ENDS IN: 1 minute

We can't see rollers because the front bench seat got thrown in the back.

wonder if they really travel with a pet on the roof.

Owner's phone number is 6102483957

What if the corpse wants to wave to mourners?

Why is the phone number hidden? Is there something you can do to reveal it?