Binger

Great Car!! Always nice to see another '14.

I agree with Matt. Let the car fully warm up! Water condenses in the muffler and tail pipe every time the car shuts off. It also condenses in the engine. I always let my cars warm up enough for the oil to get above the boiling temperature of water and get rid of the water in the crankcase oil. If it isn't warmed up completely more and more gets accumulated in the exhaust and can eventually cause the muffler and tail pipe to prematurely rust through. Run the car for a good 15 minutes and make sure it is completely warmed up.

If the car won a grand national award it should have had a Blue grand national badge on it. but who knows if it ever got put on the car. Beautiful car. Have fun with it and Drive it!

I enjoy the hobby quite a bit. But all those frustrations do go along with the old cars. I deal constantly with them. I inherited a good size collection from my dad. I have had the rear end out of my 1910 Overland 5 times working on it to get the transaxle and clutch right. The nice thing is you can walk away from them and they don't go anywhere. Its nice to take a break and collect your thoughts and when you get back to it have a fresh look at things. Years ago my Dad bought a 1914 Buick and could never get it to run correctly. He spent several years on different solutions. He never gave up. We took the car on a reliability run in Michigan one summer and spent most of the week working on the car. We even had the late Harold Sharron's help and even he couldn't figure out the issue. Finally one day we found hairline cracks in the distributor cam was causing the points to short out intermittently. He had a new one made and never had any more issues with the ignition. I learned a lot from that issue with the car. The satisfaction of figuring out the issue and being able to pass on the information we found renewed my interest in the hobby. Please don't give up on your model A. There is lots of help available.

I think it all depends on what your plans are for the car. Get it running and enjoy it as is. But it is an older restoration so you wouldn't be destroying any originality by restoring it. What are your plans for the Roadster Pick Up?

Your starter issue sounds like how my '22 is behaving. I don't ever have enough time to tend to everything like I should.Too many irons in the fire. Sounds like you are well on the way to have the car back on the road. Keep us posted.

Pictures Please!!! If the water pump cannot be fixed by repacking and tightening the packing nut you may have to have another shaft built for the pump. I am unfamiliar with how the '16 starter works. Does it have a lever you push by hand (like my '14) or is a pedal on the floor (like my '22)? In the past I have had problems with things loosening up on the linkage on the '14 and it would not allow the starter to engage. I tightened it up and it fixed the problem. On my '22 currently I am having problems with brushes and the armature being worn. I still need to pull the unit and investigate how to repair it. Hopefully I will get lucky and just need another set of brushes or adjust a tension spring. Good Luck

The Fellas over on the HAMB would define a street rod as a modified old car with modern additions like mustang II IFS, modern fuel injected engines, Air conditioning, disc brakes and lots of fancy billet parts. as for Hot rod they like to use the term "Traditional Hot Rod" as a pre 1965 modified car using "period correct parts." A lot of grey area there. It would be hard to call my '29 A street rod because I am using a warmed up A engine using all pre 1960 parts but I am still using a modern T-5 transmission in it. When it all comes down to it they are all labels and are all relative. By definition a 1985 Honda civic is considered an antique but I have a hard time calling it anything other than a "used car." Call it what you like. Welcome to the forum!

Thanks for sharing. I like the T speedster and the '31 Chevy.

The B has a different Transmission than the A does. It has a different flywheel cover and bell housing. The Flywheel housing is 2 piece with the bottom part welded to the oil pan. I do believe that it is different than the V8 transmissions also.

Another nice thing about the B motors is that they have a fuel pump. They are also fragile. It is rare to find one that doesn't have cracks between the valves and the cylinder. The model B water pump bolts to the removable water neck where the A's bolt to the head. FrankWest107 I would be interested in the 4 cyl if you happened to decide to pull it out and go with the V8.

I have a 40'x60' concrete building that is tall and has a loft in it for spare parts. It is divided in half by a wall and the loft. Half is insulated and heated that is work shop the other half is "the cold side" used for storage. My Grandmother Binger named it "The Annex" back in '82 when my dad and gramps first bought it. Eventually My folks built a house on the lot in front of the annex and added 5 spaces of garage to the house and there is an enclosed trailer too. There is a bit more space than cars but its nice having a clear workspace for welding painting and so on.

I just checked and the forums are still down but I was able to log on. Hopefully it will be back soon

This Is an OLD thread But so the story goes I believe my 1914 buick came out of that Museum. I believe the previous owner purchased it from this place when it was closing. he kept the car in his collection until his death in the late '80s. That is when my dad bought the car from his daughter. There is a great one in Longmont Co that I have visited. There are many brass era cars in it. Here is a link. http://www.bouldercounty.org/os/culture/pages/doughertymuseum.aspx

You are correct carartley. I have always have had more fun driving the cars. When we were younger we went to a Grand National Meet in Iowa. It had to have been 1981 or so and on the way back Dad asked my brother and me what was our favorite part of the vacation. I was fascinated by the furniture making at the Ammana colonies. My brother said "I got to ride in the Overland." After the judging on the way back to the trailer we got to ride around the parking lot in Gramp's 1910 Overland (it won its First grand national at that meet.) After that dad told gramps this story and they both agreed that it was a little sad that we had to drive 1500 miles to a meet so a 6 year old grandson could ride in his grand father's car. Since that happened we started driving the cars more and paid less and less attention to judging. I can appreciate a perfectly restored car and the work it takes to get it there but I feel its worth nothing if the car never gets out and driven. We started going on more tours and less and less meets since that summer.

Good Luck to you Buicknewbee. I have a couple of touring cars of that era and I enjoy them very much. I took over my Dad's collection when he passed I have always have had some choice of what to drive. I am a big guy and its important that I fit into the car also.I like my 22' Buick touring the best of the ones I have. It is more comfortable than my T or even my '14 Buick.(I am a bit too big around and tall for the T and the '14) I like the open cars more than the sedan. although it is nice to have a closed car in the spring or fall. Tends to get chilly here in Wyoming. I am glad to hear from younger people. We are certainly in the minority, (I am 41.)

Great car in great shape. I always like seeing HPOF cars.

I am building a Model A coupe and I moved the seat riser back 6" and cut 6" out of the package tray. Testing it out I am going to fit in the car perfectly.

I believe it was just about the Bel Air emblem being upside down. as the title of the thread says.

Another thing to consider abut that "restoration" is it may have been done by a first time restorer and on a budget. Chrome is very expensive and that part may be coming when budget allows. Looks like a driver that someone is having more fun with than someone with a 100% perfect restored trailer queen!! Just My opinion.

I believe 29-31 are the same. I am not if they are the same as 27' the 29-31 are 19" six hole wheels. Not sure if this helps. I have a few of those wheels sitting around the shop.

You might have better luck over on the H.A.M.B. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/index.php The guys over there will be happy to help with some suggestions for rebuilding your sedan into a Hot rod. chances are you will have to make a floor for your self. Good luck

I would not have any of the blind folded games. They seem too dangerous to me. One fun game is take several different car parts and place them into numbered cloth bags and sew shut. Then the players have to figure out what the parts are by 'feel'. Another fun game is to have a corner set up with cones and have the players back around the corner and try to part the passenger side rear tire on a mark. whoever is closest to the mark wins. Sounds like a fun event your planning.

One thing I think that many people building a Speedster or a traditional Hot Rod that is "period correct" that many antique guys understand is about proper hardware and fittings. How many Period correct speedsters have stress bolts and nylon lock nuts all over them? Even a simple thing that sticks out to a restorer is aircraft type hose clamps. Many people building these cars as well as a lot of people new to the hobby don't think about these things. How many antique cars from the '20s out there have rubber valve stems and incorrect grease fittings. Even a few Grease cups on my '14 Buick have been replaced with modern zerks for ease of maintenance. (You cant see them because they are under the car. LOL). Another thing to consider is documented race vehicles. AACA makes room for them. Take a look at for example of a documented record breaking land speed car from El Mirage raced in 1948. By all means a Hotrod when it was built. I have been away from judging for several years but has AACA allowed for Hot rods built by say George Barris or Ed Roth? Produced in the '50s and '60s and highly documented. You have to wonder how different they are from a custom built Deusenburg or Packard or Pierce of the '30s. There is a fine line between Fully restored show cars, Touring cars, drivers, and so on. How many model As in the AACA have overdrives and hydraulic brakes and souped up motors with OHV conversions? Lots of grey area here. I think it is all about education and the owners intentions and how they choose to enjoy their cars. It ranges from polishing every nut and bolt to get the senior grand national award, driving down the highway, attending a tour or just being able to put grampa's model T through the 4th of july parade. I like to embrace any interest in old cars. Especially (IMO) any car made before 1950.

Too bad I live in Wyoming! I have a whole bunch of cars that need attention.