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Have now been advised that the DA Deluxe used the same suspension, the bushing parts are confirmed by Rare Parts listing the same for Plymouth and Dodge.

Was there a Dodge equivalent part:- Looking for a R/H Steering Knuckle for a PE/PF pt # 627213 preferably an early if I have a choice. Around April 34 they upped the size of the King Bolt by 1/16". I have an interchange book that covers up to 1933 which of course is no good for this one, I'm thinking that the left and right are the same apart from the position of the steering lock stop. The thread could be built up and machined back to original but would prefer to find a replacement that hasn't been subject to welding Thanks for looking

Looking for a R/H Steering Knuckle for a PE/PF pt # 627213 preferably an early if I have a choice. Around April 34 they upped the size of the King Bolt by 1/16". This part was also used on the Dodge DA. Thanks for looking

Have made some progress with producing repros for the Hood Emblems, hoping to cast samples in the next couple of weeks. the photos below are of version 1 which wasn't correct and version 2 is at the printers.

Not wanting to tread on anyone's toes but I have L/R hand PD head light stands, now if I can model them up in 3D, I can 3D Print them and then cast in aluminium from there. Have not looked at the horn brackets for a while but if my memory serves me right the bracket is 3/16 m/s bent to shape? Regarding the 34 stands think they mount at 90° to the PD fenders. Am also working on 33/34 Coupe Luggage Rack Rubber Grommets and 39/41 PT Hood Emblem Script castings.

This any good

Can't wait to see it in full colour, you have the wiring loom in as yet, loads to do on these cars to bring them back but you have set a very high standard which all takes time and money, will the rad grill be chromed? Will continue to watch with interest.

Hi Chris, yes it's all a matter of opinion and personal preference, as I am able to find any detailed information on the Flame range it's almost make it up as you go, Jim Benjaminson has written a couple of All par articles on the subject but they don't touch on specific details. The front fenders don't have the pockets to accept the spare wheels and to be honest I wouldn't want to over up the hood side door vents. one spare, only one will be mounted on the side of the bed. Still a long road to travel on this one yet,hoping it goes shot blasting in the next 2/3 weeks but that wont include the bed or rear fenders, I am going to attempt producing my own rear fenders, the one that came with it are 37/39, have the buck made ready, a lot of wheeling and hammer work ahead. http://www.allpar.com/history/plymouth/1934.html http://www.allpar.com/squads/history.html Watch this space.

Mystery solved it's the background that is throwing the colour, possibly not helped by using a camera phone?

Oh dear not over the chip problem yet, needs an expert, 1st photo in daylight, 2nd in shadow, another trip to the paint man. I wonder if the background colour has anything to do with it. Who said you won't see another one coming down the street.

Thanks for your encouragement Jim, it has a little metallic in it for good measure, I think your chip looks closer than mine. The plan is to keep the fenders Black but that could change nearer the time. I'm pleased, which all that matters.

Some of you will be aware I have a problem determining the actual colour of the 1934 PE Flame cars IM1384 Carrotte No.3 , also found the DeSoto equivalent again a 1934 colour. Taken a while for my paint man to come up with a sample and here it is. No way of knowing if it's correct but at least it a start.

Found this on http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au but no way of knowing if this is the same shade.

Thanks knobless plenty of reference to Golden Beige/ Tan but it makes me wonder if I might be pursuing the wrong path, as Jim said up the page a bit his chip shows more red than gold. I am lead to believe from a very knowledgeable source the Carrotte No.3 was a Burnt Orange Inter-mix 1384. where Golden Beige and Golden Tan are Inter-mix 1518 (PPG IM 1267 DuPont 202-31336) Carrotte No.3 doesn't get listed any where else other than Jim's entry for DuPont 246-30698 which I am still waiting for my paint shop to try and make a sample.

Hi Jim, thanks for your input I will take the DuPont formula to my local guy and get him to mix up a sample provided he can interchange with his system and report back, your right about the colour of the chip being oxide but I have been lead to believe that over the years the have deteriorated. The chip I have below is a reproduction of a reproduction and we all know there's no better way than having the finished article in front of you. Thanks again for taking the time.

Been a while since I added progress on this one, I am now trying to find paint color I know what I want, back in 1934 showcase demonstrators for an extra $13 could be delivered in a Burnt Orange by Ditlzer Color Company of Detroit MI. this was a Ditz-Lac Intermix Formulae IM-1384 Carrotte No.3 made up of the following tints 3.5 oz. Tinting White No. 3372.5 oz. Tinting Black No. 3714.5 oz. Tinting Orange No. 4821.5 oz. Tinting Red No. 356.5 oz. Tinting Maroon No. 5292.5 oz. Tinting Deep Yellow No. 42The Ditz-Lac Tinting system required only 17 different tints to achieve the desired colors offered Big problem is I have been unable to trace in interchange that has any meaning apart from a reference to Ford Carrotte-Red The late Jim Carmine's PE pictured below is what I believe the color would be, most of the chips available have faded, also the Dodge but I am unable to find reference of it being a Dodge color. Any help would be great. Thank you

I do have a 1934 Plymouth PE that had skirted fenders as standard, I am thinking that because of the 2/3 yrs lead time from design to production these ideas would have been on the drawing board. Who knows what might have been had sales performed better.

Thank you for your quick reply dep5 you must have a good amount of knowledge on these cars, are you an owner by chance? Would it be fair to say that of the 14 1932 some were returned to LeBaron for update of sheet metal and trim may not all have had the skirted fenders this is on the basis that delivery of all 50 cars were delivered in the 32/33 time frame, this is taken from http://www.imperialclub.org/Yr/1933/33LeBaron/index.htl

Have started to find a few things different between models and would like your input regarding what was right for the genuine 1933, on one site they listed a CL* which is again would be good to clarify. Below we have 2 different of styles of fenders and from the driving possition 2 different styles of machine turned dashboards.

From my experience it is a pity they are not able to cross reference Serial # to engine # many cars loose the vin plate for whatever reason but the frame # is the engine # prefixed with the model code, no serial # no build card. The other thing is payment from the UK,, I'm sure at one time I could send a Debit Card #, money orders in $$ don't exist. Regarding the comments on the service staff Danielle Szostak-Viers has gone way beyond trying to fulfil my requests.

There is plenty of solid steel in these bodies, I think I would select suitable positions drill though the panel and back-up with 3/8" or 1/2" plate to tap the belt fixing screw, would also drill and tap 2 small holes to attach the fixing plates to the body so that it is permanent part of the body. Better to go on the heavy side than trying to make it pretty. Come back if you need more info.

Thanks for the offer but will hold out for the 146" as yourself that 1" CL/CG makes all the difference. Do you know by chance what the centre hinge length of the CG and the cowl length, I do have a contact in Alabama that has over 100 top end cars all restored but short of making a visit don't think that would go anywhere, knew of another guy in TN but unfortunately he passed.

F&J to be honest I don't know, the hood side sticking out of pic 2 is 32/33 don't think it's cut down, 1931 used 6 different W/B frames and in 32/33 there were 8, in fact 31/33 they used 12 from 109" to 146", thing the rear lamps are aftermarket turn signals but could be wrong,

Thanks F&J for showing an interest if at all will only go for the real deal modelled from this one 18' long 4 door with side screens. Still out on the L/ Right hand drive to but feel it might be easier to sell on if left one day. This 2 door was a production model in 1931.

Thanks Bill that's great Think I may have enough to get the plan view, the side view should be reasonably straight forward having my 33 and 34 frames both accessible. Am thinking of boxing with lightening holes on the inside for added strength..