ebak210 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Does anyone have a Speedometer Cable for my 1924 Buick 6 cyl ? Edited February 9, 2017 by MrEarl edit title (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27donb Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 We might need an expert to weigh in here... My 1924 6 cylinder had this mating end on the transmission: And this mating end on the speedometer head: Maybe I have the wrong transmission adapter, or the wrong speedometer head. But I found these NOS on Ebay, and it seems to fit both ends. It is a little long and I haven't installed it yet, but hopefully I can just route it under the car to make it fit between the two connections: http://www.ebay.com/itm/351639599346?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Also, this website would make up anything you need, however I have not bought from them: http://www.bobsspeedometer.com/1/120/cables_and_casings.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 The gentleman that you need to talk to is Russ Furstnow down in Flagstaff, Arizona. He is the Speedometer guy of choice. I just spoke with him Thursday at Chickasha and he had two tables full of beautifully restored speedometer heads and miscellaneous parts relating to speedometers and speedometer drives. His email address is - 1stnow@msn.com You can reach him at (928) 526-1343. I hope that this will be of some help for you. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebak210 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Thanks to both of you for your help. 27donb: Could you please measure the total length of your cable, and the length of the casing (without the nuts). I would also like to know the inner diameter of the nuts. I understand that you have tried the cable on your car, and that both the cable and the nuts fits. By the way, I have a 1924 - mod 49. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27donb Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 On 3/21/2016 at 5:08 AM, ebak210 said: 27donb: Could you please measure the total length of your cable, and the length of the casing (without the nuts). I would also like to know the inner diameter of the nuts. I understand that you have tried the cable on your car, and that both the cable and the nuts fits. On 3/20/2016 at 5:56 PM, 27donb said: It is a little long and I haven't installed it yet, but hopefully I can just route it under the car to make it fit between the two connections. Just to be clear, I haven't installed the cable on my car yet to see how well it fits between the transmission and speedometer, I think the cable is if anything a little long. The threaded nuts fit and the driving and driven ends fit their respective ends. The casing is about 67 1/2" long. The ID of the nuts is about 13/16", 18 threads per inch. I suggest you check your transmission and speedometer to make sure the cable ends will fit what YOU have. I hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebak210 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Thank you! Your assistance has helped me a lot!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryVan Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Before you try out your new speedometer cable, be certain that the speedometer actually can turn. I have never seen a single 1924 Buick speedometer that actually works. They all seem to have varying degrees of pot metal problems internally. It could be the reason why the old one broke... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebak210 Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 I will check that. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) For your Mid 20s Buick, and into the 30's. Here is a guide to putting your speedometer cable back together. First the length. On the mid 20's Buicks, The cable was 5/8" longer than the casing. See the two Master parts book pages for the lengths of the cable and casing. For my 1925 standard, they are 47 1/2 for the casing and 48 1/8" for the cable. The casing measurement is from flange face to flange face with the nuts pulled back. My casing actually measures 47 3/4", so you make the casing first, then the cable. Both ends of the casing are identical. They are 7/8 -18 female nuts. Restoration stuff part number is FLX-017 $18.29 ea The casing is .445 OD, which makes it .250 ID Restoration stuff part number is FLX 056 $5.30/ft The cable is .130 diameter. restorationstuff part number is FLX052 $4.30/ft The drive end that goes into the transmission is the .150" shank diameter. part number FLX062 $24.00 The problem with this part, is that the cable end is made for the .187 cable, so it will not fit into my casing. I just noticed this, so I will need call them to see if they have one for the smaller cable. The driven speedometer end is .315 square outside. .18 square on the ID. They do not list this in the catalog, but they say they can make the entire cable. Assuming this part is about $25. Total for all the parts is $124 + assembly??+ tax + shipping. www.Restorationstuff.com claim that they carry all the parts. There are also other vendors that can fix you up, so you can shop around. You can use the above sizes from my original cable and casing for reference. Just verify the transmission and speedometer ends (7/8 OD of the threads). The original ends would have been nickled, and the cable painted black. Notice that I have a transmission bracket on mine, and a firewall grommet. There are some other options as well. I just bought a cable on Ebay. "AC 618". It is a Cable kit from the 30's. They come 60+ inches long, and you cut to length and crimp the end on. The crimper is in the box. Also "AC Cable-casing CC-2" shows up on Ebay ocassionally. It is 67 inches long. It is for 1934-1936 Buicks Series 40. You can use this "as is" or maybe you can shorten it. There is also a "Universal brand" cable which is an aftermarket CC-2. Sold under the names Kent and Perfection, and probably others. It is listed as "U-30". The 1925 Chevrolet may also be the same, but I have not looked into this one completely. Look for the orange and blue AC boxes. Those are the old ones. The newer boxes are red/white and blue. Good point on checking that the speedometer turns with a screwdriver before installing a new cable. Hugh Edited February 1, 2017 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Milewski Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Have been following this thread, does any one have a pic of what the ends look like for the transmission and speedometer ends for a 1923 Mod 48 six cylinder buick, nothing better to do in the northeast but to putter, Terry and Brian have told dad to call the individual in the earlier post and talk with him - the casing that we have is just under 66 inches, inner is chain links with one end a cylinder type with two prongs and a center piece that slides in to the cylinder end, nothing on the other end - will post pics later Thanks Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Milewski Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 In from the cold, here are the pics, cable casing is 65 and 7/16 inches, hex nut on one end and round nut on the other, inner is chain link, don't know if the end is correct for the speedometer, one end has a wire attached to the cylinder end that I have - presume to look at the inner workings, don't have the other end - the cylinder end in the first pic allows the flat piece to extend into it and fit between the two prongs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Jim, Does your outer casing fit the speedometer and the transmission? Do you have photos of the transmission connection itself and the back of the speedometer? My car came with extra unknown parts, and I have one of these casings as well. Same size. It only had broken pieces of chain in it, so I thought it was a model T cable. If the casing you have fits, then you only need the cable. I would stay away from the chain type, and go with a flex cable, so we need to figure out what ends are needed. These are photos of my transmission connection and the speedometer input for a 1925 Buick Standard. My car has an AC speedometer. Sorry to have to send you back into the cold. Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Milewski Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Hi Hugh - didn't need to go out in the cold to take the pic's, talked with a good friend of mine "Terry" who told me that the end I have is the tranny end, and that I need the speedometer end, my speedometer and links is a Stewart Warner for a 1923 Mod. 48 six cylinder Buick (Opera Coupe) - see attached pics, both ends (speedometer and tranny) are the same, tranny end is on the left side just above and in front of my fill port, I will be calling "Russ" (mentioned in this thread for parts I hope) 17 degrees here in upstate NY with 7 inches of snow the speedometer has never been hooked up, one never came with the car in the 70's when purchased - thanks Jim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Jim, Look at some of the Model T sites like Snyders. I bet these are the correct ends. Someone probably has new chain too. I noticed in my chart above that it covers 1924 and above Buicks. http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/stewart-drive-cable-end-set Langs sells a replacement modern cable, so there is a lot of digging you can do. There are also several links on Model T forums about how to repair your cable. https://www.modeltford.com/item/CKIT6.aspx Hugh Edited February 9, 2017 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hugh, the two ends pictured in the Snyder's ad are correct for Jim's 1923 Model 48 Stewart Speedometer Cable. He could probably get them from Russ Furstnow for less money. Then there is the matter of the chain links. The problem with Lang's kit of parts is that they state that it is for a 6-foot cable housing. Jim has told us that the cable housing for his Dad's car measures 65 7/16". One cannot jam 72 inches of drive cable into a housing that is shorter than 66 inches - that very quickly rules that option out. I spoke with Jim this afternoon and we both learned a few things from each other. His Dad's '23 has the speedometer output drive coming off the LEFT side of the transmission case end. Now, on my '20, it drives from the RIGHT side of the transmission case. I cannot say with absolute fact that my '22 Model 48 drives off the right side, but I think it does. I did not know this about the '23 models. To keep the car as original as possible, Russ can get him as many links as they need to make things operational. Stewart used the chain link system for many years back in the day and it worked just fine. A properly adjusted and maintained original system will work just fine also. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbbuick22 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hi Terry The speedo drive is on the left side of the transmission on both 22 &23 6cyl I don't know about the 4 cyl John 22-6-55 Sport touring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 John, thank you for setting me straight about the '22. I hadn't looked at that part of the drive line for quite some time and wasn't 100% sure about that. I am positive about the '20 though. Barbara helped me thread the chain links into the flexible housing 4 times on that car before I got the number of links exactly right. There must be about a quarter of a pound of Lubri-Plate White grease in that flexible housing that those chain links wallow around in. I put my floor jack under the rear axle and put about 2/10 of a mile on the odometer to make sure that everything was going to run OK. I replaced three broken links in three separate tries before I finally figured out that there was one too many links. Left the last one out and things worked perfect. Terry Wiegand Doo Dah Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Terry, It looks like the Langs kit is a buyer "cut to length" kit, and the driven end has an axial tab to allow for the small amount of axial variation that the chain style provides. Russ is a good source too. Hugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Milewski Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Talked with Russ (great guy) he has what I need - links and upper clutch chain, question thou about the slider on the trany end, it doesn't lock in place in the cylinder, is it a adjustment for the links and it slides to make up for link length? Next it is quite a bend from the left side of the trany up towards the dash - thanks in advance gentleman Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Jim, what you said about the connection on the transmission output is exactly right. The flat strip makes up for the length of the chain link. That whole end piece rotates in the housing collar. Just make sure that you pull the 6 foot piece of soft wire that is connected to the last link of the chain through a glob of grease in a shop towel as you pull it into the flexible housing. I understand what you are thinking about the bend in the housing - it might seem like a really tight curve, or bend, but if you have the links in the chain really globbed up good with grease, I don't think that you will have any problems. If this will help you, call Russ and tell him what your concerns are. He walked me through this process when I did it on my '20 and things worked great after I broke three links in a row. Barbara and I can do it real good now. Terry Wiegand Out in Doo Dah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Old thread. I'll use the information here to try and get the 2 or 3 drive links that I need from Russ. I got the ends from Snyders but they don't sell links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Thanks to this thread Russ is sending me 2 links. I'll delete the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Links arrived today. Didn't know if I needed 1 or 2 so I attached 2 and hoped it was too long. It was, so I removed 1. Luckily, it seems that with these things, you can't use the wrong number of links by mistake, because it will only work with the exact right number. Cable housing packed with vasoline, gobs of it on the chain. Attached one end to the speedometer and one to the wheel, jacked up the car and spun the front wheel, and now everything is perfect. And the odometer has an extra mile on it now without having to drive anywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Before I could attach the cable I had to repair the speedometer sending gear unit on the wheel. It's pot metal so it broke: . . Edited November 25, 2019 by Morgan Wright (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 This is how I repaired it: . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Adding and updating the following article regarding how to find a universal Buick/AC speedometer cable or how to have a new inner or outer cable made as the parts are available. Hugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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