Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well I finally did it. I decided my 248 needed fuel injection. At leas I thought it did. O.K., I wanted it!!!! After a lot of research, I jumped in with both feet All the EFI systems required 12 volts, so that was the first chore. Went fairly easy. I changed all bulbs, unhooked the heater, defroster and radio. Bought an 84 amp alternator. A small adjustment to the bracket and hung it in place. I already had a volt meter installed, so I bypassed the amp meter. Really, just repositioned the incoming wire from the alternator to the amp meter to the amp meter out to starter. At the regulator, essentially did the same, thereby bypassing it. The EFI also requires an electronic ignition. So a Pertronix was installed. All went smoothly. Started up and ran on 12 volts. Ready for the EFI.Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) The EFI kit arrives! Installed a couple of pressure gauges in the fuel line.Installed a return fuel line into the filler vent line in the gas tank. A bunch of laying on my back, standing on my head to hook up the wiring and I was done. More later. Ben Edited February 14, 2013 by First Born (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42crazy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Anxiously awaiting the "more later", sounds interesting, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 About all that was left to do was start it up and drive. Come on, START.. Must have done something wrong. No fuel pressure. Crawled under the car and low and behold, someone forgot to hook up the fuel line to the tank!! Wonder who? Took care of that little oversite and it fired right up. A few adjustments were needed, but tech support is good. I drove to Joplin and back and managed 17.4 mpg. Driveabelity is good. Cold starting is good. I am content. Summer hot weather will be the final test. Nothing changed that can not be put back. I will keep the generator, fuel pump and carb boxed for any future owner. I will probably buy a water pump goose neck and generator bracket, as well as the access plate to the inside. I forgot to mention, along with the Pertronix I did install a 12 volt , high output coil. 40,000 I believe. I have not yet, but will, regap the plugs. Over all, I am satisfied. A bit pricey, but not as bad as some of the big brands. The scan port is there, so an OBD1 scan tool can be used. For you V8 guys, this would be a piece of cake. B en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Looks good! Take care,NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph P. Indusi Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I am really impressed! You are very skilled. And 17.4 MPG is very good for an old straight eight. Who is the supplier for the EFI kit?Joe, BCA 33493 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 That is really cool, Ben.17.4? Wow. What were you getting before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 I am really impressed! You are very skilled. And 17.4 MPG is very good for an old straight eight. Who is the supplier for the EFI kit?Joe, BCA 33493 Joe, in post 2 can be seen the supplier name and web address on the decal. Their web site makes for some good reading. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 That is really cool, Ben.17.4? Wow. What were you getting before? Thanks Mike. I got about the same on the trip to the Nats and back. But remember, the 4:1 gears have been swapped out to 3:4. That really helped. I had hoped to get a little more, but none of the kit suppliers promise more. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Driveability and dependability count. I may look into these mods for the wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 Driveability and dependability count. I may look into these mods for the wagon. Good morning, Mike, I think you would like it. And since the wagon is already 12v, it would be a simpler install. Throttle body would probably mate to the intake manifold easier, as well. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 (I guess now there needs to be a website "Affordable Cruise Controls"?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph P. Indusi Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Thanks Ben, looks very interesting.Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Good work, Ben! I'm glad you finally got it done and that it turned out well. This should eliminate vapor lock and carb slobbering on the manifold. It should tolerate ethanol better. Fuel mileage should improve with use.Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 48buickkid Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 If I may what did this setup end up costing you? I got on there website and didn't see anything for straight 8s so just wondering if it cost you more for a custom setup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 Did not cost more. The kit was about $950.00. I really like it. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 48buickkid Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I really like the fuel mileage your getting, If I could get that I would drive mine daily. This is something I will keep in mind for future possibilities. Have you done any cityvs highway figures yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 Not yet. City fillup soon. Remember, I also, last year, installed a 3.4:1 rear gear in mine. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 48buickkid Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 I'm in the works on finding a set of those gears. 1955 and earlier buicks are not exactly common around my area so parts are hard to come by. What models had that rear gear ratio anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 !955 is the latest that will work . All years from 1940 through 1955 will work. The Dynaflows all had higher speed gears. The V8s {53/55} are best. Ben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithbrother Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Why not run a flexible tube from the left fresh air duct, and into a box on top the EFI with a KN filter in it. Might aid the mileage, MIGHT. I did that with my Limited, picked up approx. 1/2 miles per gallon, I think.......Dale in Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 Been awhile since posting on this thread. I drove to South Bend to the Nationals. Absolutely love the FI! No starting problems at all. Now, almost two years later, got a burr under my saddle. Had to do something else. Last summer, 2014, I replaced the six volt starter after stripping the drive gear. I bought a mini from Tom Telesco in MA. Works real good. I have now replaced the distributor with a computer controlled HEI. Used an Olds v8 one, modified by Evan Ritter to fit. I had the internals modified by Affordable Fuel Injection so all advance is controlled by the computer. So far , so good. Did a 50 mile run today . I THINK it improved a lot. I KNOW from 1800 rpm to 2800 rpm is livelier. Time will tell. Now , I need to learn how to "tune" it. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Awesome, this whole thread... hope you don't mind I added it to Important/Beneficial Threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm going to need this info in about a month when a guy with a 55 wants to have one installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 Awesome, this whole thread... hope you don't mind I added it to Important/Beneficial Threads[/quoteD] Not at all, Lamar. Have at it. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm going to need this info in about a month when a guy with a 55 wants to have one installed. The EFI or the distributor? Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buick5563 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Probably both.and yes, it is for a customer, not me or Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_hilmoe Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Very nice! I've done a few Chevy conversions in the past. I may look into this for my '41. Edited July 18, 2015 by s_hilmoe (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (Wondering what kind of "map" protocols they used?? IF there's a real map or if the detonation sensor is the limiting factor on full advance and such? Plus how different the Buick 8 is from a GMC 6?) NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 (Wondering what kind of "map" protocols they used?? IF there's a real map or if the detonation sensor is the limiting factor on full advance and such? Plus how different the Buick 8 is from a GMC 6?) NTX5467 Willis, I do not know the answers to your questions. Wish I did. There is no detonation sensor. There is a MAP [ vacuum] sensor. I wish I knew how to play with and tune it. So far, I have not found any one to help with that. It runs good, but I would always like better. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithbrother Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Starting in all weather will REALLY sell you on injection, IMO. Good for YOU, Dale in Indy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) There is no detonation sensor. There is a MAP [ vacuum] sensor. I wish I knew how to play with and tune it. So far, I have not found any one to help with that. It runs good, but I would always like better. Ben\ So they are just doing a fuel map, using the MAP sensor to detect "engine load" without a TPS, It appears, which is what the earlier GM systems did. The detonation sensor was part of the distributor module situation, back then, even being "free-standing" on the pickup trucks when it was first used there in the middle 1980s. Back when Chevy TPI engine were "the rage" for street rods, the more basic swaps used only a MAP sensor to detect engine load and mixture lean/rich needs. Not sure if they used an oxygen sensor or not for those deals, back then. As you have an HEI distributor, the detonation limiter can be added easily, if you can find an "Electronic Spark Control" Chevy pickup truck with a V-8. The "box" is located behind the instrument panel "glove box". It takes a module specific to that system. The sensor screws into (on the Chevy V-8s) the rh block drain plug hole and has one wire going to it. If that wire should short to ground, the system gets a "full retard" mode and "no power". I think we also had an ECM to run the throttle mixture solenoid in the carb by that time, too? Thanks for the information. NTX5467 Edited July 25, 2015 by NTX5467 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 Willis, perhaps I should clarify. Sensors include a coolant sensor, throttle position sensor, oxygen sensor,, manifold absolute pressure [vacuum] sensor. Not sure why I would need a detonation sensor/control. Please enlighten me. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Thanks for that additional information, Ben. Detonation limiter would, in some cases, allow the timing to increase until "a rattle" was heard, then back it down until it didn't happen, which would mean that ignition timing (once base timing was set) would remain optimized at all times . . . in theory. The way it's checked is to tap on an engine part (as exhaust manifold) to see if the engine rpm changes. If the tapping continues, the timing will retard until the engine stops running. Similarly, a bearing knock will do the same thing, resetting when the ignition is turned off, so it'll restart and then die again. I read in a Buick 3800 performance website, where it advocated the use of super premium unleaded racing fuel (during drag racing), it mentioned that once the ECM hears the rattle, it'll retard the timing for a good while, then let it return to the normal map, progressively, the longer it goes without hearing a rattle. End result, the higher octane fuel results in more horsepower and better racing results (hopefully). BUT . . . if the advance curve in the distributor (vacuum and mechanical) is well-tuned for the vehicle, advancing the base timing until a rattle is heard, then manually decreasing the setting until the rattle is minimized or stops, would accomplish the same thing, just in an analog manner. Take care,NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 1950 Buick Compression ratio: 7.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Old-Tank, what is the total timing advance which is optimum for the earlier Nailheads and possibly the straight8s? Just curious. Thanks,NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Old-Tank, what is the total timing advance which is optimum for the earlier Nailheads and possibly the straight8s? Just curious. Thanks,NTX5467About 30°...mechanical advance=12°; vacuum advance=10.5° and I set the initial timing at 7° BTDC (55 nailhead...no specs on straight 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTX5467 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Thanks! NTX5467 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Well here it is three years later. Actually five since installing the EFI. And I still think it is the best thing since sliced bread. About 15,000 miles on the EFI, on two different engines, with NO repairs. Ben 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemon Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Ben, interesting to see you have electronic timing controls. Didn't know that part! Did you ever find anyone to tune it for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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