alsancle Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 5 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: How does this car, or any car for that matter get on the lawn at Pebble Beach? Bob Hey Bob, they have a whole application process and a selection committee. Ed can explain it better than me. This car would probably require a prewar "speedster" class. In general, the concours are all trying to come up with an interesting and fresh field of cars every year. Not easy when you consider that we have a "fixed" number of car. At Pebble you tend to see fresh restorations of special cars that haven't been seen in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: How does this car, or any car for that matter get on the lawn at Pebble Beach? Bob There is no short answer. First thing is what car is it.....I know that sounds kind of simple, but in fact 99.999 percent of all cars are rather common. Thus, you need something special, and that can be any of a hundred different things. The best thing to have is a fresh restoration on a car thats never been shown anywhere before.......ever. Thats a pretty tall order. Understanding what they want is also important. Basically they want the car bone stock, unmodified, in the original color, the way it was delivered. Certain classes get two hundred applications for 8 car spots, so you can see how the best of the best is what hits the green. Picking the best 8 out of two hundreds gives you lots of choice, then body style, power plant, custom body, ect.,ect., ect. They also keep records on what people have for collections, and the head judge or another committee member will often call to get certain cars on the show filed. There's no exact science to it. Another example is that many of the best restoration shops get asked a year ahead of time, do you have anything interesting that may be a good fit next year? To be honest, after almost 50 years of doing this, I still cant believe the stuff they come up with. And I'm not talking about your run of the mill V-16 Cadillac or such, but absolutely crazy over the top cars I didn't even know were built. I can tell you this, their job isn't easy. Last year the Isotta classes were fantastic, and any car there could have been justified as a best of show car........I think there were almost 25 of them. Think you have a great car? Enter it for Pebble, drive it on the field feeling like a million bucks, then get to your parking spot and it feels like you just drove into a brick wall at 80 mph. No matter how good your car is, there is another half dozen just as good or better parked next to you. This year will by my fifth time parking a car on the green..........and it doesn't get any easier! And one last thing that can help you or hurt you on the field............the weather. Believe it or not, many cars look diffrent on a sunny day verses a cloudy day. Sandra Button once commented on this, and how lighting on any given day can help you or hurt you. I can tell you this, if you think the players on the field at the super bowl are serious about winning, they don't hold a candle to the level of competition that hits the 18 green on a Sunday in August. Edited July 5, 2018 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Thanks Ed! This will be my second time at Pebble Beach, as in 2016 it is a Father's Day gift from my oldest daughter out in LA, we both had a great first time out there. Historic Races, the tour, lunch in Carmel, just hanging out in the lot with the transport trucks and the cars & owners, a real fun time. The one thing I noticed was the fact that I couldn't judge the cars, they were flawless, works of art, the products of skilled artisans, I liked that. Hope the Summer doesn't race by, but we are looking forward to Pebble Beach. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 This was made as a fathers day present for Gus Schumacher by his kids. Just to clarify for the record, we have very definitive proof that construction was 29-33. You can see in some of the zoom shots of the car already weathered with 34 plates on it. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Thanks for the update, I've seen them listed for sale on line. Have you given any thought to installing a small block Chevy to test the chassis? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Thanks for the update, I've seen them listed for sale on line. Have you given any thought to installing a small block Chevy to test the chassis? Bob tsk tsk Bob. We will see how this goes, but hopefully we have a running engine sometime this year. Fabricating the exhaust is not going to be trivial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 The exhaust is the easy part....it's the 10,000 detailed hardware problems that are going to bleed you like a stuck pig. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) After too long of a delay, the Stutz Special is back in the shop...........and it should be running by spring...........just a quick photo of todays work....... Edited December 22, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Aj....move this where it belongs, or post a few photos of the finished long block and original intake/exhaust. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Ash Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Hmmm, another 4-carb special. It should be fun synchronizing and tuning. Are the cast aluminum intakes new? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gary_Ash said: Hmmm, another 4-carb special. It should be fun synchronizing and tuning. Are the cast aluminum intakes new? Hi Gary........Don't worry, you will know more soon. We (AJ & I) were discussing some engineering help we are going to need, and you were the first one I thought of...........We are making all new intake and exhaust from scratch. We may need a few of the linkage castings you made for your car if you still have some. Besides unlimited funds to properly restore this car, I can promise you a ride around Lime Rock at 100 mph +. PS- the unlimited funds remark is from me, NOT AJ. He is fairly cheap. 😎 Edited December 22, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 Ed, this is where you were supposed to post it: And yes, I need someone to loan me their fishing rod so I can find my wallet. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bloom Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I’ll be interested in following this going forward! Outrageous and cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I was promised a ride in this car when it is finished, turn 72 tomorrow so it would be a nice gift when I turn 75. Merry Christmas! Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Bob, it’s my mission in life to make you scream like a schoolgirl while I shift through the gears at Limerock in the Stutz. 😎 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 4 hours ago, alsancle said: Ed, this is where you were supposed to post it: And yes, I need someone to loan me their fishing rod so I can find my wallet. What good is a fishing rod when you keep your fish hooks in your pocket. There is an old saying when someone is a reluctant payer. He has fish hooks in his pocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 What is the wheelbase of that special? Looks like it’s a straight line speed car. Bet it corners like a school bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 hours ago, edinmass said: After too long of a delay, the Stutz Special is back in the shop...........and it should be running by spring...........just a quick photo of todays work....... What size are the Winfield carburetors? What is the cubic in of that engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 48 minutes ago, George K said: What is the wheelbase of that special? Looks like it’s a straight line speed car. Bet it corners like a school bus. George, it is 145". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, George K said: What good is a fishing rod when you keep your fish hooks in your pocket. There is an old saying when someone is a reluctant payer. He has fish hooks in his pocket. Fish hooks? Some how the pots they use on The Deadliest Catch are more in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 hour ago, George K said: What size are the Winfield carburetors? What is the cubic in of that engine? $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Scream like a schoolgirl indeed! Bob imagine that thing on the backside "S" turn or the diving turn at LRP. I have seen more than one vintage racer end up in the field over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Steve_Mack_CT said: Scream like a schoolgirl indeed! Bob imagine that thing on the backside "S" turn or the diving turn at LRP. I have seen more than one vintage racer end up in the field over the years. The last fatality in a Vintage event started there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 hours ago, George K said: What size are the Winfield carburetors? What is the cubic in of that engine? George……we only play with cool stuff………..😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Single stick Stutz under 300 inches. 4 Winfield carburetors if they a 2” is enough to run a V12 1650 inch Liberty engine. $$$ not well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, edinmass said: George……we only play with cool stuff………..😎 Yea me to. The last special I worked on 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, George K said: Yea me to. The last special I worked on That was given away for free at auction years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, alsancle said: That was given away for free at auction years ago. When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, George K said: When? I’ll find it tomorrow. Maybe 20 years ago? The auction company didn’t do a good job on the description. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, 1937hd45 said: The last fatality in a Vintage event started there. A forum member and CT person I believe. Sad, but not without risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, alsancle said: I’ll find it tomorrow. Maybe 20 years ago? The auction company didn’t do a good job on the description. Tom paid 112k. We where rebuilding the engine and built a correct hood when Tom suddenly died. Family did not wish to finish it as it had a broken crankshaft that was slowly being built. Went away to parts unknown. Wisconsin aircraft engine that never passed the Navy 50 hr test. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Here it is the form it first ran. Then changed to the sheep nose. Picture of the engine from a factory sales piece. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Well that thing is just cool as hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, George K said: Single stick Stutz under 300 inches. 4 Winfield carburetors if they a 2” is enough to run a V12 1650 inch Liberty engine. $$$ not well spent. Over carburated like 99 percent of the stuff people build today. And I bet hard starting and about 4 mph. We shall know soon enough. Fortunately, C9 is only 14 bucks a gallon, and I have AJ’s debit card in my wallet. Edited December 23, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 What is the compression ratio? High octane is only needed in high compression engines. 89 non oxygenated pump gas is all we ever needed in old heaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) Compression is 8 to 1. Hot cam. Trick valve job. Wide open header. It’s was very well built. The original builder built a bunch of trick stuff all pre war. He ran independent four wheel suspension in 35 or 36 at Indy. Has lots of cool special details. It’s AJ’s car, so I will let him talk about it. Just a fantastic story from how I was chasing it down and hit a dead end, to how Big Al knew what and where it was from the photo I published just based on a rumor. It’s fun to be involved in such an odd ball and unique car. Edited December 23, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 4 hours ago, alsancle said: I’ll find it tomorrow. Maybe 20 years ago? The auction company didn’t do a good job on the description. Was that when Zimmerman sold it or at a later time and owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 5 hours ago, 1937hd45 said: Was that when Zimmerman sold it or at a later time and owner? Bob, it was Bonhams Hershey 2002 and it sold for about 20% of what I thought it was worth. Of course, that might explain why I always lose money on cars. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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alsancle Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 Btw, I asked West to merge this with the original thread, so it should be moving. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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