Morgan Wright Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I saw this thing in my pile of parts and then saw the same thing in an episode of Pawn Stars which gave me a clue. Is this what I think it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JFranklin Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 It keeps the top from flopping when it is in the down position, a top saddle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 I wonder if it will keep the glass window from riding on the spare tire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Roth Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 54 minutes ago, Morgan Wright said: I wonder if it will keep the glass window from riding on the spare tire No, it only supports the folded side supports of the roof bows, latched in place on the two sides adjacent to a rear seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) The glass shouldn't touch the spare if everything is as the factory finished it. The glass also would be protected by one fold of the top material. The saddle should hold the irons high enough to keep everything where they should be. Edited February 10, 2021 by JFranklin (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 I soaked it in vinegar overnight and brushed the rust off, unstuck the hinge, got the nut and wedge loose, tapped and died them, now ready to put on the car! Now I need another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just having a little fun in 12 degree weather freezing my hands off: . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) I think those brackets had some type of cushioning material, rubber, leather, or canvas, to keep the irons from damage. I have some with reminants of rubber. Edited February 10, 2021 by JFranklin (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted February 10, 2021 Author Share Posted February 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, JFranklin said: I think those brackets had some type of cushioning material, rubber, leather, or canvas, to keep the irons from damage. I have some with reminants of rubber. Yeah the parts book pictures a rubber lining. It also says that for 1918, the model 44, 45, and 49 had these and they were different for all 3. Mine is the right one for the 49. I adjusted the board that I use to protect the glass window from banging on the spare tire, so the top comes lower and the whole thing fits now. I need one for the other side now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Morgan, The Convertible top boot is used to keep the glass off the back tire. The clamps were not normally left installed outside the car. To fold the top you needed to install the clamps and then use the top boot. I think that is why these are usually missing. Loose parts. Hugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hubert_25-25 said: Morgan, The clamps were not normally left installed outside the car. Hugh Were they removed to lower wind resistance drag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Wise Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) They are covered by the top cover when the top is folded Edited February 11, 2021 by Rod Wise (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) It varies by year. Some car companies and models made the top clamps permanent to stay outside the body, others had them removable for stowing. Agreed that it was more likely for a teens car to have them permanently affixed, but in the later years you do not see them as frequently on the cars in photos with the tops up. Attached are factory photos and a photo of Leif Holmbergs original top on his 1925 Buick. Now you have gypsy curtains (the term used for the side pieces of the top). Notice how if you do not unscrew these when the top is up, it really stretches the top fabric and can create a place for water to enter the car. On Leif's car I can see the wood behind the canvas and the canvas is fatigued here. Hugh Edited February 11, 2021 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) My 1925-45 with clamps and the boot I had made for my Standard. Period photo of 1925-55 with clamps and boot. When we were at the AACA fall meetat Gettysburg, we watched some fellows putting down the top of their Cole V8. I had to stop them because they were attempting to place the folded top in the clamps without undoing the snaps of the gypsy sides and folding them in. Edited February 11, 2021 by dibarlaw (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Wise Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Larry, I,m surprised you have the large clamps on your 25-45. I thought the small rests were used by 1925. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 This is my final result after cutting the board for the glass window so the top comes all the way down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Morgan, That looks great folded. Hopefully you can find another clamp on Ebay. There are many varieties with subtle differences. They do have rubber or leather in them to protect the paint. These are the instructions for folding the top. The gypsy curtains are supposed to be folded in and tucked behind the tension straps prior to folding the top. It is also important to pull the top back and then tuck it in. The top pads need to be kept out of the top sockets as much as possible so that the stack can be latched. This is from the 1926 Buick export manual. Interesting that I have not seen these instruction in any US document, and it is not in the 1925 export manual. The one man operation folding it while walking over the front seat is also a neat trick and has to be done very carefully. I also put pads over the rear doors because it would be easy to drop the rear of the top onto the tops of the doors during the folding process. Notice all the snaps and the 2 straps in the top boot to hold the rear glass. Hugh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Wise Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Thats funny. It,s a 1926 Manual, but the pictures of the top (hood) don,t have the gypsy curtains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rod Wise said: Larry, I,m surprised you have the large clamps on your 25-45. I thought the small rests were used by 1925. Rod: The 1924 Master Book of Parts I have call out the clamps #183824 R and #183825 L"Top Holders" for both the 1925 Master and Standard touring. TOP REST #18294 rest for Burbank Cloth tops.... Req 2. I have had to make new "reat seat iron studs" for both cars. As they were missing. I had to shorten the Hidem on the Standard since when they put the incorrect style top on in the 1960s tacked over the stud location. When I first got Remley he had 7/16" all thread and a piece of rubber hose as rests. Edited February 11, 2021 by dibarlaw (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Rod, A little difficult to see in black and white. but you can make them out that the qypsy curtains are tucked in behind the straps that support the rear bow. Photo of the 1926-25. Hugh Edited February 12, 2021 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Rod: If you look carefuly the first photo shows the gypsy sides #3 are already folded in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Arghhh... Hugh beat me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 I just bought the other one for $20! Ha ha ha I am a happy man! ORIGINAL SINGLE TOP BOW SADDLE CLAMP AUTOMOTIVE PART 1909-1927 CONVERTIBLE | eBay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Wright Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 And here it is: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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