Jim65Riv Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1922 Model 46 coupe for sale. The only Model 22-46 listed in the 2017 BCA membership roster. Featured in The Buick Bugle, Volume 47, Number 3, July 2012, pages 30 - 32. Asking $9,995. Owned from 1963 to 1971 and from 2008 to the present. History known. Solid car - no rust, good wood. Engine not stuck, needs some work to get it to run. Upholstery well worn with a couple of pack rat holes. Glass is good. Should be solid black, was repainted with a dark blue body in 1950. Brand new (incorrect size) tires; should be 33 x 4 black side wall, are Goodrich Silvertown Cord 35 x 5 white side wall. Extra parts and literature included. Located in Andover, Minnesota. Is stored inside. I will continue to store until spring if necessary. Contact me by PM with your email address for more pictures. The late Dave Corbin verified the car as a "matching number" 1922, and the 307th built out of a total production of 2,293, "making it a fairly early 1922." Quotes from Dave. Frame #849688 and engine #877138. Edited December 20, 2018 by Jim65Riv additional information (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buickborn Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 According to the Buick catalog, this car is powered by a six rated at 27.3 N.A.C.C. (aka taxable) h.p. and 60 brake h.p. The four cylinder engine for that year was rated at 18.23 N.A.C.C. h.p. and 35-40 brake h.p. While the concept of taxable horsepower is commonly understood, I'm wondering if anyone on the forum can tell us why brake horsepower was sometimes expressed in two figures, as in the case of the '22 Buick four. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim65Riv Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 Buickborn, the original factory literature I have gives the 6 cylinder b.h.p. as 50 and the 4 cylinder b.h.p. as 35. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I think it had something to do with taxes that were paid on the vehicle in various parts of the world when these vehicles were new. The higher the horsepower - the higher the taxes. I read that somewhere way back. I'm sure someone on here will correct me if this is not correct. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I like that !!! what “work” is needed to “get it to run”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim65Riv Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 We drove it onto the trailer when I repurchased it. When we got it home, we couldn't get it to start. I think that it could use a rebuild of the vacuum tank, the carb, the starter/generator and the coil and distributor. I had the pan pulled and cleaned out - very little in it. It was reinstalled with a new gasket. Replaced a leaking freeze plug. Has new plugs and wires. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_Heil Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) Mr Earl You need this. I know a guy with a ‘23 who will help you! 😁 Edited December 22, 2018 by Brian_Heil (see edit history) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buickborn Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 13 hours ago, Terry Wiegand said: I think it had something to do with taxes that were paid on the vehicle in various parts of the world when these vehicles were new. The higher the horsepower - the higher the taxes. I read that somewhere way back. I'm sure someone on here will correct me if this is not correct. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Terry -- Taxable horsepower (the historical basis for vehicle taxation in most parts of the world) is derived from a formula which was quite accurate in reference to very early, extremely inefficient auto engines, that is: cylinder bore in inches squared x number of cylinders divided by 2.5. One major effect of this formula was to discourage large bores and encourage long strokes, which is why the very earliest, relatively "square" engines gave way to the relatively-smallish-bore, deep-strokers with which collectors of pre-1949 vehicles are quite familiar. The effect of taxable horsepower was most noticeable in British engines, which largely explains why post-war English cars were so inadequate for American highways. Those very-small-bore, long-stroke engines just couldn't stand up to the rpm needed for American speeds. In any case, the reason I raised this topic is that it is not clear to me why brake horsepower was sometimes expressed in two figures, such as 25-30 or 45-50, etc. Anyone got that one? Thanks! ~ Charlie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Looking at the photo of Jim's Model 46 makes me think that he left it out in the rain and it shrunk - this car is almost identical to my 1922 Model 48, only about 20% smaller😁. In all seriousness, the closed body cars in this time frame really are far and few between. The reason being was their higher cost when new and people just did not travel in the colder weather back then like they do now. This car is about the same physical size as my 1920 K-46. I cannot tell you how many times that I have told others that these cars were not built for old and fat people back in the day. Ask me how I know that. The 1920 is a real buggar to get into and out of for an older and bigger guy. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim65Riv Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 Terry, When I bought it the first time in 1963 I was 18 years old and weighed 147 pounds. I had no trouble getting in and out and fitting between the seat and steering wheel. Lets not talk about today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 😬I’m out then😆 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 This is an extremely nice car that has to b seen. Please tell the miles on this car Jim. This car has been parked more than driven. Unfortunately Im not familiar with starter/generator components or I might have been more help. Merry Christmas Jim and good luck with the car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim65Riv Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 Thanks for the comments, Greg. The odometer has 29,xxx miles on it. The odometer had 29,xxx miles on it when I first bought the car in 1963. It has not been driven much, if at all, in over 50 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) A mileage like 29,000 is probably typical for a car of its era. Cars weren't long-distance vehicles back then. I like your car, and hope it goes to a new owner who will appreciate it and use it occasionally on scenic back roads! All the best to you on your sale. Edited December 27, 2018 by John_S_in_Penna (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mowen Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 12/20/2018 at 12:39 PM, Jim65Riv said: 1922 Model 46 coupe for sale. The only Model 22-46 listed in the 2017 BCA membership roster. Featured in The Buick Bugle, Volume 47, Number 3, July 2012, pages 30 - 32. Asking $9,995. Owned from 1963 to 1971 and from 2008 to the present. History known. Solid car - no rust, good wood. Engine not stuck, needs some work to get it to run. Upholstery well worn with a couple of pack rat holes. Glass is good. Should be solid black, was repainted with a dark blue body in 1950. Brand new (incorrect size) tires; should be 33 x 4 black side wall, are Goodrich Silvertown Cord 35 x 5 white side wall. Extra parts and literature included. Located in Andover, Minnesota. Is stored inside. I will continue to store until spring if necessary. Contact me by PM with your email address for more pictures. The late Dave Corbin verified the car as a "matching number" 1922, and the 307th built out of a total production of 2,293, "making it a fairly early 1922." Quotes from Dave. Frame #849688 and engine #877138. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mowen Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Did you happen to sell your 22 Buick? I have a 22 Coupe and looking for splash apron dimensions so I can fabric new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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